Volkhs versus sin eaters or soul cleansers
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crone maatkaere wrote:i am not sure if any of you have ever read any of magnolia's past posts but a spirit can not conjure another spirit! we went through this almost 2 years ago when someone attempted to force members believe this and it is not able to be done. i'm really sorry that you think a dragon can conjure a sin eater and be certain that magnolia will be told about this "thought".bryan wrote:yea my Divine Dragon conjured a Sin Eater. He told me it's a long process but it's doable.
it's always nice to hear people going to the trouble of learning "how to do" on their own alongside a teacher - it is the only way you are going to learn how to do something correctly.
so yep crone is putting that wrench right into this line of "isn't this cool" bull before it gets momentum and a rush begins to get spirits who can do this for the owner with the keeper knowing how or doing anything in the process. do you really understand what kind of damage all this misinformation is doing to the new members? it's stuff like this perpetuated that makes our community the joke it's becoming and those of us who have taken the pains to learn and learn correctly have to be included in that folly.
to conjure a sin eater is a process that is not like any other spirit conjuration at all - magnolia and ash will both attest to this. hey though, believe what ever floats your boats at this point and this is why i am so thoroughly disgusted. at least give the newbies correct information based upon experience training and doing it yourself from your training.
for you new members, please please use common sense and just because it's written here don't take for granted that it's done.
oh, btw, during a conjuration session no spirits go lost, they're right in front of the conjurer as long as the person knows what they are doing so no other spirits are required to wrangle them back "home". will you all listen to yourselves for goddesses' sake. this used to be the premiere forum for knowledge shared and now eyebrows are raised with almost each post. do you all really want to be continued to be known as the "yellow school busey group"? god, man-up and do the actual training with a master before some of you really run the community into a worse state.
btw, i'm really pissed off and i am angry at the continued affrontery from some who believe conjuration is soooo darned easy when it isn't. people train for years under a master, spend more time finding/waiting for a master to find them to train and then spend upwards of thousands and more for the training and experience which will give them the knowledge to conjure. only someone without training would even attempt this statement that i'm replying to and it's sad because i really like the member as i like the member who says hellhounds go find her conjured spirits. what, they went lost or did they disappear? conjurations do not work that way so i suggest a lot of training is needed before anyone even considers using the person. sorry for being blunt but none of you are really doing the new members any favors and worse yet if they believe what they're reading.
now before anyone disputes me please remember i have over 30 years of training, now a total of 39 years in magick and conjuration with a master and so i at least paid my dues the right way and i don't want to see new members dishonored. i told you all i'd be lurking and that i wasn't going to leave this a totally unguarded playground. knowledge is indeed power but it also brings with it a sense of accomplishment when we then do things correctly according to those who came before us. :grouphug:
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I just want to apologize. I should've done a bit of research before I posted. Sorry about that. :crying:
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Yay----Crone is back!!!!!! And with all of her GREAT knowledge that we have been SO WANTING and so LACKING here on the forum for quite some time now!!!!! I'm soooo excited!!!!!!!! As usual, learned more, just now Crone, in your few paragraphs, then in in the last few weeks on the forum!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!.........
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Check out ...MYTHS, LIES & OTHER FABRICATIONS OF KNOWLEDGE
I just bumped it back to the top of active topics
http://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/vie ... =6&t=10663
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http://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/vie ... =6&t=10663
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Thank-you Crone for posting that. I got to thinking after I made the post and thought hey wait a minute, I had never heard of a spirit conjuring another spirit.
I always thought that was always done by a person trained in doing that, but since I am fairly new to this, and like to give people the benefit of the doubt, I am glad you set me straight.
This site has always been a wealth of information and I for one, would like to see it kept that way and I know it will with people like you and Mags, and Ash.
So the lesson here is don't always believe what you read unless you know for a fact that it is true and if you don't know for sure, ask someone like Mags or Ash to be sure!!!
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I always thought that was always done by a person trained in doing that, but since I am fairly new to this, and like to give people the benefit of the doubt, I am glad you set me straight.
This site has always been a wealth of information and I for one, would like to see it kept that way and I know it will with people like you and Mags, and Ash.
So the lesson here is don't always believe what you read unless you know for a fact that it is true and if you don't know for sure, ask someone like Mags or Ash to be sure!!!
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I missed Bryan's post.
You have to think in terms of who the spirit was in the beginning, during their lifetime. If they couldn't do it in life, they aren't gaining that power by simply becoming a spirit. Dragons didn't conjure spirits in their lifetime, and they are ingratiated with that ability simply by becoming in spirit form. Of course, this is just one example, but you can apply that thought process across the board.
You have to think in terms of who the spirit was in the beginning, during their lifetime. If they couldn't do it in life, they aren't gaining that power by simply becoming a spirit. Dragons didn't conjure spirits in their lifetime, and they are ingratiated with that ability simply by becoming in spirit form. Of course, this is just one example, but you can apply that thought process across the board.
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Thanks Mag, I really do feel bad that I jumped the gun, in thinking and I should have known better!!!
Nothing worthwhile, like spirit keeping is easy, a person must learn many things and learn the right way of doing that!!!
I trust this site, and I know there are many on here that know exactly what they are doing.
In Reiki we are taught that you just can't get attuned, you have to learn then be attuned by a Master Reiki teacher and believe me it takes time and is not a quick way to learn kind of thing, it takes years to learn the right way of healing.
This world has become a thing of wanting things and wanting them fast and right now!! In spirit keeping it is not over night thing of becoming a spirit keeper, it takes time and even years to learn, away of life actually!!! We make mistakes and hopfully we learn from them!!! I for one am still learning and will be to the day I leave this plane!!!
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Nothing worthwhile, like spirit keeping is easy, a person must learn many things and learn the right way of doing that!!!
I trust this site, and I know there are many on here that know exactly what they are doing.
In Reiki we are taught that you just can't get attuned, you have to learn then be attuned by a Master Reiki teacher and believe me it takes time and is not a quick way to learn kind of thing, it takes years to learn the right way of healing.
This world has become a thing of wanting things and wanting them fast and right now!! In spirit keeping it is not over night thing of becoming a spirit keeper, it takes time and even years to learn, away of life actually!!! We make mistakes and hopfully we learn from them!!! I for one am still learning and will be to the day I leave this plane!!!
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We make mistakes, we learn, we prepare for a better future. This is what the paranormal community SHOULD be all about. Everyone posting here gives me hope. Have patience with each other and YOURSELF as well. The support is all around you. Be slow to act, quick to remember, and faithful to experience. It's all we got...and it's beautiful.
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Well said Brotony!
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