creepyhollows wrote:Bumping this... someone is actually saying Ash deals in demons and it's more than obvious with 8 years worth of Ash's anti-demon posts how he feels on that subject. Some people will just say anything...

That's insanity. Search Ash's posts for the word "demon" and there'll be a long list of anti-demon and anti-BA advice. Ten seconds' worth of typing search terms In the forum search boxes will disprove any claims about CH offering any demons or BA.

creepyhollows wrote:Bumping this... someone is actually saying Ash deals in demons and it's more than obvious with 8 years worth of Ash's anti-demon posts how he feels on that subject. Some people will just say anything...

Oh man that is just crazy!!!! Ever since I have been on this form, Ash and magnolia have never offered any demons in the store!!!! Yes dark da and they will tell your that is a dark da spirit, but never a demon!!!!

Man that is just so crazy and very un-true!!!!! 8OO

starfire :dragons::

Bumping this. The subject is one all members should be advised of, especially newer members.
I don't keep demons but I do keep many Darker DA spirits. I agree with Ash 100% whenever demons are involved someone always gets hurt. I know this from experience and I make it a point to steer clear of them.



Radu

radutepes wrote:Bumping this. The subject is one all members should be advised of, especially newer members.
I don't keep demons but I do keep many Darker DA spirits. I agree with Ash 100% whenever demons are involved someone always gets hurt. I know this from experience and I make it a point to steer clear of them.



Radu

Well said and thank you for bumping this Radutepes!

ok, because i see some of the post are very "against" black art beings and the masters/friends of them..i need to write now my side!
i am keeping many demons, dark art and black art beings from many sellers and yes i also had some minor bad experiances with some of them....BUT at the end i would never want to miss the experiances i have gain from interview and work with demons,
the classifications are so wrong.....a dark art being like a wrath can harm people like a demon also ,it always depends on the conjurerskills and the character of the being itselfs!
some demons are not at all black art!!!! just born in hell and some dark art beings are bad as hell and have the label "dark"....so what?
am i bad because i work with demons? NO WAY
am i in danger? NO BECAUSE I USE MY BRAIN BEFORE I WISH SOMETHING
my demons are loyal and i do not keep them for bring harm for others, i want to know their storys and they are the best protection i ever had if i travel in darker realms

do not judge demonkeeper by label!
i know many people that are wise and calm and own demons....we are not crazy people

but to be fair, a newbie in magic or a person that could easy get manipulated by demons can get i great danger, i do not have something against ashs warning, it is placed very well ....but i also want to write my side of the story as a demonkeeper for years
thank you all
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angeldark wrote:ok, because i see some of the post are very "against" black art beings and the masters/friends of them..i need to write now my side!
i am keeping many demons, dark art and black art beings from many sellers and yes i also had some minor bad experiances with some of them....BUT at the end i would never want to miss the experiances i have gain from interview and work with demons,
the classifications are so wrong.....a dark art being like a wrath can harm people like a demon also ,it always depends on the conjurerskills and the character of the being itselfs!
some demons are not at all black art!!!! just born in hell and some dark art beings are bad as hell and have the label "dark"....so what?
am i bad because i work with demons? NO WAY
am i in danger? NO BECAUSE I USE MY BRAIN BEFORE I WISH SOMETHING
my demons are loyal and i do not keep them for bring harm for others, i want to know their storys and they are the best protection i ever had if i travel in darker realms

do not judge demonkeeper by label!
i know many people that are wise and calm and own demons....we are not crazy people

Thanks for sharing angeldark. My experience with demons wasn't as peaceful as yours obiviously. In my experience demons deceive and serve their own ends not the desires of their keepers. In my experience someone always gets hurt in the end. I do work on the dark end of the magical spectrum but I always advise caution when working with or keeping demons. I respect the fact you've had a more pleasant experience with demons than I but by the same token I find Ash's warning against working with them to be well founded. I agree with him 100% especially where new members are concerned. I would never assume you were crazy angeldark we all walk our own path and I respect the path you've chosen but I respectfully disagree concerning the subject of Demons.



Radu

Pst. Here someone goes again with the demon bashing "demons are okay, but someone always gets hurt in the end if you don't know what you are doing, and they are not for everyone."

Well.. Maybe if people wouldn't get demons from say.... I don't know... HELL... They wouldn't have terrible, horrifying experiences based on whatever is going on in you know.... The realm of eternal suffering and torment.

My demons wouldn't harm someone if I begged them to, however, protection.... I almost feel sorry for someone who dares mess with me.

Not that DarkAngel isn't right. There are good spirits and entities in hell. In fact, I have a friend who actually helps fallen angels who want to redeem themselves, get redemption, in what is called ‘conversations.' Wonderful work isn't it?

The point of it is, and I don't mean to sound racist - If you are looking to hire a minority to work at your business, it would be a good idea not to hire someone who has spent their whole life in between gangs, prison and the ghetto, because well...... There are much better choices, and they might you know.... Rob you or shoot you.

Please remember. Technicaly hell hounds, succubi, incubi and cambions are all demons as well


No, they are not. They have absolutely nothing to do with demons.

That is a religious definition given to anything religion (namely the Catholic church) deems as evil. They sweep them all into a tidy pile and give them the label "demonic". They also used to call people who had mental instabilities "demonic". Especially those afflicted by mental problems that made them abnormally strong, or have an abnormal temper. We all know now, that mental deficiency doesn't mean they are demons, or possessed by a demon.

Part of the problem is everyone is so willing to throw the word "demon" around without any sort of real classification. The demons being discussed here are real demons, not the garden variety darker entity one might come into contact with, but real demons who have absolutely no conscience, who are pure Black Arts, no regard for free will, safety or well-being of others who are being advertised as "harmless" BA. There is no such thing as harmless BA. ( MAGNOLIA'S POST).


WHAT MAGNOLIA HAS WRITTEN ON THIS POST IS SO IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE OUGHT TO READ THIS OVER & OVER AGAIN.
Caiyros Arlen

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Not that DarkAngel isn't right. There are good spirits and entities in hell. In fact, I have a friend who actually helps fallen angels who want to redeem themselves, get redemption, in what is called ‘conversations.' Wonderful work isn't it?

Phantom the work your friend does sounds very interesting. I've heard of nothing like this before. Would you be willing to start a thread on this subject and tell us more about it?
Perhaps your friend could join in and explain the work He/She does to redeem the fallen angels. I would love to hear more about this.





Radu