And it still doesn't prove that he became immortal "through pain", nor you provide reliable resource about it.dragynraken wrote:And how does that prove all sins will be carry by him? Look at all the human, until now still have to bear their own sins. I don't believe anything pass down by human. Anyway its out of topic.darkwing wrote:Dude, in the commonly accepted believes, Jesus sacrificed himself through pain and agony not to become an immortal, but to burden the sin of the world.dragynraken wrote:Uhh yeahdarkwing wrote:Err, what?dragynraken wrote: - through pain, example Jesus
- through emotion, example Mary
So, from what tradition, teaching, or myth was your statement based on?
Since it's not a pretty image if people start doing the same thing to reach enlightenment or become immortal. Example, that 2008 movie, "Martyrs":/
And yep, off topic. Better cut it here and post new thread to discuss enlightenment method if anyone prefers:P
): So I was playing a game with family and lately I have been able to feel her more precise. It used to be more of a big area and now I can feel it better when she for example goes round with her finger or whatever. Anyways, I laid back on the couch I felt her breathing on my cheek, I checked the room for open windows but everything was closed. Felt great! 
