To removed by moderator: my concerns and questions, making people aware

Lionox · Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:35 am

darkwing wrote:
ChaosDevour wrote: I think you should be mature about this and give proper answers in this thread.
There are already some answers from the Q&A pages on her website:
https://www.removed by moderator.org/pages/ ... nd-answers
https://www.removed by moderator.org/pages/ ... k-and-more

I think if anyone has further questions or opinions on the matter, it's better to ask or discuss it with her directly rather than here, before it gets too personal.

Different people have different views and believes in this kind of stuff, indeed )

Those Q and As don't answer what Kistune has brought forward, here.

darkwing dook · Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:50 am

ChaosDevour wrote: Those Q and As don't answer what Kistune has brought forward, here.

I may have missed the point, what is it?

Lionox · Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:32 am

darkwing wrote:
ChaosDevour wrote: Those Q and As don't answer what Kistune has brought forward, here.
I may have missed the point, what is it?

I suggest reading the original post again, that will help clarify what the point is.

darkwing dook · Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:51 am

ChaosDevour wrote: I suggest reading the original post again, that will help clarify what the point is.

Nope, reread it, and still don't get it.

Outside the motivation (which can be guessed because there is a market of it) and the mentally balanced remark (which can be inflammatory), others are answered in her website's Q&A, as well as mentioned in other threads in the forum related to the topic (discussion and cautionary warning).

Consider me an idiot and please explain what the point is : )

no name · Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:34 am

I know Toni for several years and she has helped me personally very well, when my son had problems with a very dark entity. I know her to be a very capable conjurer.

FenOL · Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:56 pm

darkwing wrote:Consider me an idiot and please explain what the point is )

you are not alone dw, as I also missed the point if the Q&A didn't answer it.
so, let's not consider ourself as an idiot because it's normally hard to understand others point of view.

xXTsukiNoOokamiXx · Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:19 pm

Here's my take on this:

Did it come from good intentions? maybe

Was it an effective way to have one's concerns addressed? Not at all.

Here's why:

There's no implication that you spoke to Toni privately first to get an explanation you seem to feel you deserve, perhaps more in depth than was offered. You didn't bother to give Toni the chance to defend herself, which consequently comes off as you essentially trying to publicly dismantle her. Any good intentions that were once present, now appear to be less a part of your motives, you understand? It no longer appears to have come from a good place.

Now as far as what I personally understand to be the "point" of this post.

The way I understood it was that you wanted everyone to see the Q&A so no words would be put in either of your mouths. A fair debate....

Maybe?

However instead it just came off as totally confrontational and utterly disrespectful. I have no idea what prompted this post, but I think it was a mistake. You should have at the very least discussed this with Toni Prior, don't you think??

Unless something more happened that we couldn't possibly know, in which case would it not be more effective to just post about that personal experience rather than this mess??

As for my Opinion regarding Toni's response:

This is me continuing on assuming that there was no prior warning about this post to her.. I don't blame her for not wanting to answer any more than she did. For all the reasons stated above. This thread was a rather aggressive course of action in my opinion.

I have not purchased anything from removed by moderator, though I was considering it. So my only biases are the positive feedback I have seen for her services, as well as having seen and read the site Faqs myself. Knowing all this, in my mind, it feels to me as if you jumped to conclusions here... I mean no disrespect either.. but I also wanted to add in Toni's defense. You forced her into a tough spot. You pretty much gave her no choice but to answer. And it feels like that was your intention.

You've made some pretty big claims here with negative implications. These kinds of threads aren't something I'd want fresh newbs to see their first time here. And if I were a seller, I'd also not stand by and essentially be bullied into playing someone's game by their rules when I though put so much time and effort into establishing what I'm all about. But that's just me.

I hope I offered a little perspective.

xXTsukiNoOokamiXx · Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:34 pm

I also meant to add that you called for "no abuse, just fair debate" yet unfairly baited a response. Debates like any conversation, are meant to be mutual. Not incited as a conflict.
Again mean no disrespect but just thought I'd try to offer my opinion. Don't want a fight. 2ded

Zaman7 · Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:28 pm

I'd assume what trigerrd this situation, is this thread:
http://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/topic68350.html
No..

xXTsukiNoOokamiXx · Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:43 pm

Oh my, now we're getting somewhere. Yes I can see this being a problem.

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