Zaman7 wrote:I'd assume what triggered this situation, is this thread:
http://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/topic68350.html

You could very well be right
And yes, this is one of those I would respectfully leave well alone

I have purchased a few of Toni's darker but not so black items and have had no problems with them. I tend to stay away from the ones that come with a warning, but I have no problem with her selling things that I would never buy for myself. As long as she put out the warning, those that buy these items should never complain... she warned them after all. My sister's ex-husband sold cocaine and wound up serving time. His excuse... "if they don't buy it from me, they will buy it from someone else, so I might as well be the one making the money off the fools"... Toni ... at least you give the fools a warning and if you don't sell it to them someone else will.

Alys wrote:

1zp

Hi everyone, this post seems a little sensitive, so I wasn't sure if I would say anything...but I decided to add a few words.

I've known Toni for a long time, and when I started my journey she was one of my first friends. Personally, I trust her ability and I've seen her handle some very dark stuff, so I think she's a very capable person when it comes to these things. She's also helped me many times with tough situations, and I will be forever grateful to her for that.

So this is just my two cents, I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but I just wanted to give some positive feedback for an old friend.

In context, the whole "binding in chains" thing can be looked in much the same way as a cop carrying a gun: Just because he could shoot you doesn't mean he wants to, or that he won't try to avoid things escalating to the level of deadly force if at all possible.
By the same token, Toni said she knew how to bind them in chains but that would be a last resort

Are we arguing about whether demons are warm and cuddly or not again? How many missing CH demon keepers does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

Seriously though, like any race, there is a range to choose from. If the conjurer says it is ultra dark then that is her fair warning to you. It probably isn't the warm and cuddly DA you are used to. Why is anyone arguing this? Move forward at your own risk. What we've learned is applying blanket statements good or bad often leads to mistakes in judgement. The conjurer appears to be describing specific listings. Walking blindly into the night alone is not a good idea.

Also, unless anyone here is a licensed mental health expert, don't just throw these statements so casually. Else it would appear you are trying to hurt their reputation and image with no proof. I get trying to protect our fellow members is noble. But don't do it at the expense of another human being...who might have a perspective you are not yet privy too. I'm sure to outsiders we all appear to have mental health issues...Sorry if happiness is a mental health issue. Gawd damn.

Noctifera wrote:Executed wrong,
involves the sensational,
became a circus.

"Executed wrong" is the right word : )
Still don't get the real point, since it can get interpreted in many ways. For examples, is it similar to these threads?:
http://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/topic42430.html
http://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/topic35558.html

Or perhaps the intention is similar to this case:
http://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/top ... ml#p659087
http://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/top ... ml#p456160
with a hint of this?:
http://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/topic54553.html

On the topic, I tend to agree with what Huff and Samsara said : )

Samsara wrote:Are we arguing about whether demons are warm and cuddly or not again? How many missing CH demon keepers does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

Seriously though, like any race, there is a range to choose from. If the conjurer says it is ultra dark then that is her fair warning to you. It probably isn't the warm and cuddly DA you are used to. Why is anyone arguing this? Move forward at your own risk. What we've learned is applying blanket statements good or bad often leads to mistakes in judgement. The conjurer appears to be describing specific listings. Walking blindly into the night alone is not a good idea.

Also, unless anyone here is a licensed mental health expert, don't just throw these statements so casually. Else it would appear you are trying to hurt their reputation and image with no proof. I get trying to protect our fellow members is noble. But don't do it at the expense of another human being...who might have a perspective you are not yet privy too. I'm sure to outsiders we all appear to have mental health issues...Sorry if happiness is a mental health issue. Gawd damn.

I don't think anyone is saying demons are all warm and cuddly but also trying to imply that all demons are just out to cause havoc and make keepers go missing is just as much of an overstatement.