Other species/kinds of entities besides those listed in the CH forum & encyclopedia?

[SteelCast]

I apologise if this has been asked before, but I've been going through some old threads and haven't really found what I was looking for.

I'm partially asking because I would indeed like to know what species my resident spirit is at some point (I initially thought he was human, but I'm now considering whether he might merely be human presenting so to speak. He's showing a lot of interesting tendencies and abilities which make me think he's perhaps something else). The bigger part of why I'm asking is just curiosity.

While I find the species/kinds of entities listed in this forum fascinating, and am also aware of a few others that aren't specifically listed, I keep thinking about how vast the world and the universe is. Surely there are lots and lots more categories than the ones most commonly talked about here? And I'm not even talking about BA beings necessarily (I'm not really interested in working with any BA), I'd just love to gain more of an overview about the different kinds of entities, and as much as I love this forum, I sometimes find it a bit hard to navigate.

Does anybody have resources or links to good threads on here about different kinds of entities, in kind of an overview or encyclopedia form? And yes, I did already read a big chunk of the CH encyclopedia, but I do find it somewhat limited because it seems like mainly the most well known and probably most sought after/searched for entities are listed there. Also, and I don't mean this in any negative way, but I find that the encyclopedia sseems to be influenced pretty heavily by the personal experiences and opinions of the site creators. Which I don't mind, but I'd love to hear other voices as well.

[CH Moderator]

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[Lewk]

tl/dr: Unless someone is an experienced spirit keeper or conjurer or a pretty good psychic, it can be hard to know for certain what type of spirit an unbound is. But awareness of that might develop over time, if they become a companion. And either your intuition or communication from the spirit may provide an answer.

CH has this product. https://shop.creepyhollows.com/unbound-reading.html

I guess you can email CH support and ask if they can do a reading on this spirit, in the same way.

I'm not sure how useful this is but, as far as I know, CH has the most comprehensive information about spirits and living entities anywhere that is what I call 'initiated'. ie Based on authentic experience and knowledge, rather than modern myths etc, which can be a hotch-potch of reliable and unreliable info. They seem to live mainly or Wikipedia and gaming sites.

Internet searches I've done in the past for good info seem to mainly throw up other meta sites that quote verbatim CH's entries without attributing them to CH. CH's Encyclopedia & Shop info seems to far surpass any other good meta seller's.

For me, if you have a spirit around you, the main thing to identify is whether they are malicious or malevolent. This where good, specialist protection spirits can come in handy. They'll keep the bad ones out for you.

Then you might want to work out whether they are grey/aka dark arts in nature or light natured / white arts.

Next, I would want to ask them to keep to my house rules, even as an unbound. It's my living space and I have a right to only tolerate co-operative, safe spirits, if I so choose. Some spirit keepers are far more tolerant of unbound spirits who are already in the home they move into. If they try and move in after you are there, I think they really do need your permission. But again some people are less controlling of their living space. Never let tricksters or feeders in though.

Finally, even if they can manifest as humanoid doesn't mean that is their 'true' form. I mean spirits are in one sense energy. But there can be subtle clues. With unbound companions I've known I just take what they tell me at face value. But protection measures are essential, in my opinion.

[SteelCast]

CH has this product. https://shop.creepyhollows.com/unbound-reading.html

I guess you can email CH support and ask if they can do a reading on this spirit, in the same way.

That is very interesting, thank you for pointing that out. Unfortunately I'm still not sure whether it fits with my magical ethics to buy magical/spirit work services (which is also part of why I'm very hesitant about whether or not I actually want to purchase a spirit binding, even though I'm very intrigued). But I will definitely keep it in mind, and it's very helpful to know this offer exists.

I'm not sure how useful this is but, as far as I know, CH has the most comprehensive information about spirits and living entities anywhere that is what I call 'initiated'. ie Based on authentic experience and knowledge, rather than modern myths etc, which can be a hotch-potch of reliable and unreliable info. They seem to live mainly or Wikipedia and gaming sites.

Internet searches I've done in the past for good info seem to mainly throw up other meta sites that quote verbatim CH's entries without attributing them to CH. CH's Encyclopedia & Shop info seems to far surpass any other good meta seller's.

I get what you mean tbh. That has also been my frustration with looking at sources outside of CH, a lot of it is gaming or fantasy/rpg related. The problem I have with the CH encyclopedia is that in my personal belief system, there is a lot of wiggle room, so to speak, in spirit/entity manifestations and backgrounds, which is also reflected in my experiences. The CH encyclopedia is a great resource, but I'm pretty sure that some of their definitions and experiences just won't happen in that way if I ever worked with a spirit like that, because of my own personal vibes and energy, if that makes sense. So that's why I'm curious about alternative opinions to CH, because I like to have different viewpoints on this stuff. But of course if other people are just stealing the CH encyclopedia entries without sourcing them properly, that's not helpful for me in that way, so I see where you're coming from for sure.

For me, if you have a spirit around you, the main thing to identify is whether they are malicious or malevolent. This where good, specialist protection spirits can come in handy. They'll keep the bad ones out for you.

Then you might want to work out whether they are grey/aka dark arts in nature or light natured / white arts.

That's definitely very true. At this point, my experiences with this specific spirit seem to indicate that he's a more light leaning grey arts entity. I can't be sure of course, but compared to the limited other experiences I've had, I have a carefully optimistic feeling about him.

Finally, even if they can manifest as humanoid doesn't mean that is their 'true' form. I mean spirits are in one sense energy. But there can be subtle clues. With unbound companions I've known I just take what they tell me at face value. But protection measures are essential, in my opinion.

Someone in another thread advised me to take any forms with a grain of salt as well, yeah. From what I can see so far, the spirit is apparently a shapeshifter, but the vibes I get and the form that resonates the most with me are human-ish/humanoid. I do try to protect myself as much as I can and be very careful as I don't want to repeat past negative experiences.

Next, I would want to ask them to keep to my house rules, even as an unbound. It's my living space and I have a right to only tolerate co-operative, safe spirits, if I so choose. Some spirit keepers are far more tolerant of unbound spirits who are already in the home they move into. If they try and move in after you are there, I think they really do need your permission. But again some people are less controlling of their living space. Never let tricksters or feeders in though.

Could you elaborate on what sensible houserules would be and what feeders are? I've read those terms a lot while going through the forum, but I find it hard to get a good grasp on what they mean, specifically the house rules.
The spirit was here before me btw, so I feel odd making house rules for a space I basically "invaded", if that makes sense, so I've been struggling with what would be sensible.

[cairngorn]

At some point categorizing spirits/entities is like measuring clouds. Sure, many of them appear in human folklore but I'm certain there are far more. Also I'm not sure how often folklore gets it right. CH definitions are great in that they're at least somewhat based on experience but one person's experience with a being of one species won't necessarily match CH's overall experience with that particular species. You're right about that.

Would it be rude to ask him what kind of being he considers himself? Whether he lived as a human?

Making house rules for an already present spirit/entity is a little strange. Maybe if you suggested rules going both ways, things you will not do that the spirit/entity doesn't like and the other way around. You'd have to come up with something you both could live with. On the spirit's side it could be things like "don't take revenge for me based on my feelings about someone, don't keep me up at night, please tell me if any uninvited beings are lurking around."

"Feeders" can be used to mean anything that wants your energy. In lowest form they're like nonsentient blobs of energy parasite.

[Lewk]

[...]That is very interesting, thank you for pointing that out. Unfortunately I'm still not sure whether it fits with my magical ethics to buy magical/spirit work services (which is also part of why I'm very hesitant about whether or not I actually want to purchase a spirit binding, even though I'm very intrigued). But I will definitely keep it in mind, and it's very helpful to know this offer exists.[...]

So the binding is for companions. Basically a spirit that wants to be your lifelong companion. From what I've learned about modern spirit keeping methods, this could typically be reflected in the wording of the spell/conjuration that creates the consensual agreement.

The value of reputable, skilled conjurers (such as CH) is they'll able to contact/conjure a wider range of spirits or living entities than most people would ordinarily encounter. And they'll do it with great skill, including vetting the spirits concerned.

see also https://www.creepyhollows.com/faq/?acti ... eeping+faq
https://www.creepyhollows.com/faq/?acti ... eeping+faq

[...]So that's why I'm curious about alternative opinions to CH, because I like to have different viewpoints on this stuff. But of course if other people are just stealing the CH encyclopedia entries without sourcing them properly, that's not helpful for me in that way, so I see where you're coming from for sure.[...]

Basically the whole ethos of this forum is to respect other people's beliefs. The CH perspective is by no means the only one. But it is based on long experience and great skill and for me is well worth taking seriously. There may not be one True perspective on these things. Ultimately we all come to our own. Just as in any other field of human endeavour, we draw on, build on the work and achievement of those who come before us.

[...]That's definitely very true. At this point, my experiences with this specific spirit seem to indicate that he's a more light leaning grey arts entity. I can't be sure of course, but compared to the limited other experiences I've had, I have a carefully optimistic feeling about him.[...]

Gut feelings can be a good sign.

[...]The spirit was here before me btw, so I feel odd making house rules for a space I basically "invaded", if that makes sense, so I've been struggling with what would be sensible.[...]

Some people are happy with resident spirits. Others prefer to exercise control over their living space and its energies. It's a good idea to have tools at your disposal to banish and clear bad energies, in case you ever need it.

This is a free How To
https://www.creepyhollows.com/faq/?acti ... +to+banish

[Lux]

As you mentioned "At some point categorizing spirits/entities is like measuring clouds".
Classifications are for us humans to somehow be able to connect and interact, as our brain works in that way, we need classifications, "this is an apple", and "this is a pear", our logic categorizes. But our human classifications have not always the same meaning in the astral because in the astral things are more fluid. That is what I learnt when interacting with my companions and in my experiences with the astral world. My subjective experience. Others may have discovered other things. All that said I appreciate reading through CH encyclopedia or other sources, I like to compare my own findings with what others have discovered, the CH encyclopedia remains a solid point of reference for me. I also think there are many other beings that haven't been categorized or havet been discovered yet. There are conjurers who sometimes sell spirits I have never heard about, and that are not listed in the CH encyclopedia.