Is keeping spirits slavery?

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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby Huffette » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:19 pm

Bumping this


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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby Gypsy » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:45 pm

For me the proof that spirit keeping is NOT slavery ,aside from and including the word of the obvious experts at CH, is the fact that my spirits are kind,loving,caring and protective to me as well as my family. If spirit keeping was slavery why in the world would my spirit friends,and yes they are my friends, want good things for me and help me as much as they do. No one would be kind to someone who is holding them against their will. What would be the purpose of that?


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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby OtherworldlyLove » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:01 am

Wonderfully explained thread. Thank you.



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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby Ekenshin » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:46 am

It is a great thread i agree - though i did find a concerning spell in the CH free 100 book of spells which from the wording traps a spirit into slavery? Maybe i'm misinterpreting the words though i 100% don't believe any of spirits CH summon for us are enslaved.

"Conjure Creature

To me you are bound
I call you with the fires of Pantheon behind me!
Come to me the great (name of creature)
You are in everlasting tie to me! I am your master and you are my to govern!
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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby Alag » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:13 am

My Keep are not slaves, and they are free to come and go as they please. Some of them have been with me since before I was born, and I shut them out as I got older, because in certain cultures this is perceived as evil. Once I opened myself to them, they were welcoming and forgiving. They are my Family, and guide me through the toughest of times. I apologize (many times) for turning my back on them, and the same response is given... "There is no need to."


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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby Lewk » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:24 am

Ekenshin wrote: i did find a concerning spell in the CH free 100 book of spells which from the wording traps a spirit into slavery? Maybe i'm misinterpreting the words though i 100% don't believe any of spirits CH summon for us are enslaved.

"Conjure Creature

To me you are bound
I call you with the fires of Pantheon behind me!
Come to me the great (name of creature)
You are in everlasting tie to me! I am your master and you are my to govern!
"


Yes I have that book too. Interesting.

Going by what CH Admin posts elsewhere in this forum say plus what it says in the encyclopedia, I'm guessing that as the spirits concerned must agree to be bound (unless you're a particularly powerful and unscrupulous conjurer) the words of that spell just facilitate a clear 'binding' contract with spirit concerned. I get the impression some spirits like the flowery language too. The word 'call' is used - as opposed to say ' by my power I compel you' for example - so it's worded more like a invitation, or at most a demand.

I guess the 'everlasting tie' bit may involve a binding that survives beyond desth but again I think it needs the consent of the spirit to work.

Just my thoughts though.


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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby creepyhollows » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:29 pm

Those spells are actually from a myriad of sources through multiple cultures and time periods, some translated from ancient and old texts, and were compiled into a single, free book around a decade (or so) ago.

There is no binding that actually works without a spirit's permission, unless you are talking about the realm of Black Arts (which we do not practice).

A spirit cannot lose their free will to choose to be "bound", and even then it's not that you are talking about a binding in the sense of a term of actually being bound, but an agreed upon connection/tether/channel between you and the spirit, in which the vessel (whether it's yourself, a gemstone, jewelry, etc) acts as the conduit for interaction and communication.


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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby Someya » Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:52 pm

It might be slavery but the question here is are the spirits the slave or are you the slave to them



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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby Likes2Read » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:23 am

I do remember that one of my earlier posts, upon finding this forum and encountering the concept of spirit keeping, was "What's in it for the spirits"? I can see tons of reasons why we would want to align ourselves with the spirits and their various talents and insights, but I wanted to be absolutely sure that this was a two-way deal before I was willing to get on board with keeping,


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Re: Is keeping spirits slavery?

Postby Wiserdice » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:38 am

I myself don't even like the words "spirit keeping". To me, it implies objectification or something like that.

I feel like there are people for whom keeping spirits is like a competition, a sport. Not for everyone, of course, but let's be honest...what's the point in having over 8000 spirit companions? I don't know if that's actually true, but I'm sure it is not about developing meaningful relationships with other beings. Imagine, having 8000 human friends here. It is impossible to spend quality time with every one of them. So same goes for spirits.

I am absolutely happy with just my one otherwordly friend, and I treat him with the same respect I would treat a fellow human being here in this physical reality, if not more. lol

It is really a shame when people abuse these kind of relationships, thinking that oh, a spirit is not human, it is okay to treat them as lesser beings, so keep them as slaves because that is what they are good for! Unfortunately, I've seen videos where people talk like this... Gross.


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