Erszebet wrote:I like all type of wild animals, above all tigers. During a trip to Thailand I could touch one, under the vigilance of the monk who looked after her. I wasn’t eaten nor bitten of course. The reasons are many: she was well fed and domesticated in some way, and on good mood that day perhaps. I was also lucky. The monk showed me the signs of a large deep cut, caused by the same tiger I had just touched. So when someone deals with demons, black arts or similar, I have in mind that tiger. You can accept the risk coming from interacting with them, sure, exactly as I accepted the risk of touching the tiger- a low risk perhaps- but thinking that being cautious, casting a circle or using some protection will suffice, as well as suggesting that they will respect you as long as you are respectful or friendly towards them is dangerous. And coming to the knowledge they share, what knowledge is it exactly? Because I got a lot informations yes, including secret names and ways to call upon them and similar things, but is it something really useful, I don’t mean to mankind but at least to an individual? I don’t think so, rather it was useful to them. I thought I had acquired knowledge and skills to summon them , yes, so they got much of my energy in exchange,and much more than this. The price is always high for what they offer. They let you think 'give me respect , you get respect and you have nothing to loose, you are free when dealing with us'. As to knowledge, of course I know so many personal things about Lilith, Lucifer and others, are they really useful to someone? Have these informations improved my life in some way? Absolutely not. And consider that there is something they enjoy more than teaching ,and that is deceiving. They adore to lie . I had no bias towards them but I had to reconsider my position. Respect is not enough to deal with BA. You don’t know how and when they will hit you but sure it will happen. Why? Because this is their nature. I am sure the monk was cautious and respectful towards the tiger. He was badly injured nonetheless. But when it comes to tigers I understand the importance of his work because tigers are at extinction risk, and it is worth the risk probably. It does not apply to other beings. You can take the risk of course. But what you get in exchange is not worth the price they ask at the end.
Firstly, I love your use of the tiger imagery. It is quite correct, and along the lines of my lion metaphor.
Secondly, I am surprised that you asked what I've learned from my experiences. I was quite clear in my post exactly what I learned from each of the three experiences I detailed. I continue to learn about myself, and develop spiritually and magickally, thanks to the assistance of all my spiritual helpers, those of lower vibration and those of higher vibration. Of course, I'm not working with them because of ego, or a desire for power. I'm not interested in silly things like secret names or their favorite color. This isn't a gossip session - I conjure with purpose. I conjure to learn and to grow. I'm not interested in any personal knowledge of the beings I summon unless they are sharing such information as it relates to the lesson I'm learning. As you've seen from my other posts, sometimes, the information isn't helpful until you put it into perspective within a larger framework of actual experience. So if a demon or angel or immortal wants to tell me something about themselves that's personal, they're telling me as a way of explaining a life lesson.
Also, sometimes being deceived is the lesson. Sometimes, the only way you learn something is by being lied to, because you cannot accept the truth before you experience the lie. This is just human nature.
Lastly, I don't think you understood what I was saying at all, because my primary comment about these beings is that they have the ability to choose. They are NOT black arts beings. The things we label as being black arts are things that are inimical to us as a species. Very few beings that people come across, even in hell realms, are black arts. People lie all the time. They cheat, they steal, they cause harm, both emotionally and physically, and sometimes they do all these things deliberately. With demons, you get what you give. If you are dealing with them for power, for the aggrandizement of your own ego, it is not going to be a fun ride. Just as, with tigers, if you do not respect their power, if you are egotistical enough to think that by working with them, that makes you powerful and special, then when the tiger eats your face, you probably deserve it.
A final, slightly off topic note to all -
Did you know that prior to the 16th century, the word demon and the word angel actually referred to the same thing? People believed that angels and demons were not separate species, but actually that a being that helped you, and harmed your enemy, was your angel, but your enemy's demon. A being that harmed you, but helped your enemy, was your demon, and their angel.
Just to add another fact to aid in the definition of words we use today.
"She’s all the unsung heroes who... never quit." ― R. A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” ― William Shakespeare, Hamlet
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”
― H.L. Mencken, Prejudices: First Series