Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

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Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby melinda1111 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:06 am

Hi guys,
I recently got a Grigori Watcher (Enochian angel) from Starry1night.
I have few questions... I did my research and Grigori Watchers are the known fallen angels. Because they never been human, I would assume they can't be spirits. I asked Rebecca (starry1night) and she said they are to be considered entities from another parallel dimensions. Is this correct ? I love Rebecca and trust her word , but I'm a little confused as if this is correct. So I'm not owning a spirit but an entity ??
I know CH sells Watchers but I'm not sure if they are the same Watchers entity/spirits as the one I have ?
Can someone enlighten me please about this. I feel very very very attracted to the Watchers and the one I got, really called out to me...

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Re: Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby darkwing dook » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:21 am

Human or not, if they can die, then when alive they're living entities, and after passed away, they're spirits. This thread might be a good read:
topic61882.html

Different conjurers/sellers may have different perspective or use different terms though : )


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Re: Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby melinda1111 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:31 am

Hi Darkwing dook,
I apologise I didn't express myself correctly. What I meant is that I thought angels by being Angels couldn't become spirits , because they can't die. Or so I thought ? That's my confusion.... I didn't think angels whether fallen or not could die ? Or can they ?
I will definitely have a look at that thread ! Thank you so much !


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Re: Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby darkwing dook » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:45 am

Mmm if you're talking about the immortal ones e.g. Michael, yep.

But you can see there are courtwind angel spirit and living entity listings here:
https://shop.creepyhollows.com/CUSTOM-C ... ITUDE.html
https://shop.creepyhollows.com/living-e ... angel.html

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Re: Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby melinda1111 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:04 am

darkwing dook wrote:Mmm if you're talking about the immortal ones e.g. Michael, yep.

But you can see there are courtwind angel spirit and living entity listings here:
https://shop.creepyhollows.com/CUSTOM-C ... ITUDE.html
https://shop.creepyhollows.com/living-e ... angel.html

: )


The thing is that I don't know... Are Enochian Angels ( watchers/fall angels) immortal ??
I asked the conjurer and she said my Watcher is to be considered a living entity in another parallel dimension.. but I have a feeling that because I suggested that, she just got along with it but she truly doesn't know either.
Thanks for all your help !!! <3


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Re: Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby Fireshadow » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:26 pm

Read some wikipedia information about a Watcher ( angel), grigori. Because now I'm totally at odds. I'm not sure if they are even all fallen? Maybe they are some race of angels... maybe they were just the group who stood by in horror and watch their sibblings going into a deep dive.

What do we know about Angels? Angels are Made by God, before God created Humans. You can't compare angels to humans, or humans to angels. You can't compare vamps to angels, or angels to vamps. We are totally different sorts. BUT not only Humans can die. Vamps die as well, faeries die as well, merpeople die as well.

God made many different races of angels. The Enochian angels are only one race of angels. The most known race of angels are the Archangels: archangels are the eldest angels, and highest ranked. What most of us forget is that Lucifer aka Satan aka the Devil was once an archangel. I'm guessing that the archangels are created first, or atleast as being the strongest. Cause they rule directly under God. Lucifer or Michael Lucifer or Michael is the eldest created angel by God.
Michael I guess is the vice president of Heaven, directly under God.
Lucifer is the King of Hell.
Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Ariel, Azrael, Jophiel, Chamuel, those are the well known archangels.

The reason why Luci isn't known as an archangel anymore, is cause he fell. He fell with all those other angels ( regardless of their race, I'm guessing) because they wanted to have some play time with the daughters of Man.

Archangels: the highest ranked angels, the most important = they are immortal.
All other races of angels, are lower ranked, and not Immortal I guess. They can die... cause I've spirits of angels.

The place where they live: Heaven or Hell, or travelling in between.
Michael and co live in Heaven, Lucifer and co live in Hell.

The thing about this subject is that it's very difficult to get information about. I've angels, and partly angels, but I can't get much information about Hell, Heaven, God, or angels. It's all part of some big secret that we ( humans) are not allowed to understand unless we DIE. Cause clearly... no one finds it easy to communicate with angels. All information we have gotten is because of some books, some tv-shows, some talk by HUMANKIND. Not one angel has come down or up and told us all about it. We do have entities angels or spirit angels, but still they can be very tricky. They apparently got orders to keep certain things a secret.

Angels are directly in contact with God Himself. And well, it's already very difficult this subject God. Some say it's not real, some say it's real. I myself am Christian born and raised, but I'm more importanly a Truth-seeker. I do believe in God, and that's for my the answer as why most things stay secret. God himself stays secret, and that's why most angels don't share this information with us. I've no clue what non-believers think is going on with the angels, but that's my take on it. Angels live in Hell or Heaven, or they have taken on a human form and live among us ( those do we call the Fallen Angels).

Ask your grigori watcher, it's the best advice anyone can give you. We don't know for sure, and many do not know for sure. We can only get the most truthfull information from our spiritual companions.

Other advice about how to get more information about angels:' The Bible ( that's very easy cause it's translated in our language), the tv-show supernatural ( yes, I know it's kinda BS, but still, you could watch it), this forum, the encyclopedia from CH, apparently those who claim they can communicate with angels, the angel desk cards, the book series ' Fallen' from Lauren Kate, the internet.

Read it all, watch it all, talk with your Grigori and come to your own conclusion.
The rest will come to you at the end of your life, when you die. ;-)


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Re: Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby Aprophis » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:18 pm

melinda1111 wrote:The thing is that I don't know... Are Enochian Angels ( watchers/fall angels) immortal ??
I asked the conjurer and she said my Watcher is to be considered a living entity in another parallel dimension.. but I have a feeling that because I suggested that, she just got along with it but she truly doesn't know either.
Thanks for all your help !!! <3

If they're not the arch angels, which count as immortals, then they can die. Either through being killed or when their time is up. Unless they're relatively immortal, meaning they can't age but still be killed.
Chances are, that if you didn't get a portal to an immortal, your being is mortal in a sense and either a spirit or a living entity.


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Re: Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby melinda1111 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:04 pm

Aprophis wrote:
melinda1111 wrote:The thing is that I don't know... Are Enochian Angels ( watchers/fall angels) immortal ??
I asked the conjurer and she said my Watcher is to be considered a living entity in another parallel dimension.. but I have a feeling that because I suggested that, she just got along with it but she truly doesn't know either.
Thanks for all your help !!! <3

If they're not the arch angels, which count as immortals, then they can die. Either through being killed or when their time is up. Unless they're relatively immortal, meaning they can't age but still be killed.
Chances are, that if you didn't get a portal to an immortal, your being is mortal in a sense and either a spirit or a living entity.


oh ! Thank you, this totally makes sense ! are the watchers from CH Enochian Fallen angels ?? Or is there 2 different kind of Watchers ??


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Re: Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby Aprophis » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:53 am

melinda1111 wrote:oh ! Thank you, this totally makes sense ! are the watchers from CH Enochian Fallen angels ?? Or is there 2 different kind of Watchers ??

No idea if the watchers from CH are enochian, you'd have to ask CH. It doesn't say on their encyclopedia.
Also not all watchers are fallen. All Grigori are though.
There's a difference between a watcher and a grigori watcher. Don't ask me what it is, though.
And there might be enochian watchers, enochian grigori watchers, non-enochian watchers and non-enochian grigori watchers.

All in all, you'll have to trust what the seller tells you. And if you think they might not know themselves, then I'd say you might have a whole different kind of problem, because if a conjurer doesn't know everything about what they conjure........well.....let me just ask what else they might not know about their beings.


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Re: Grigori Watchers aka fallen angels

Postby Aprophis » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:08 am

Fireshadow wrote:The reason why Luci isn't known as an archangel anymore, is cause he fell. He fell with all those other angels ( regardless of their race, I'm guessing) because they wanted to have some play time with the daughters of Man.

That was mostly the grigori.
Did you ever read about the reason Lucifer revolted and fell? About how he was envious of humans having a soul and free will and he refused to serve them?
A similar story was with Iblis, who you could say is the islamic Variation of Lucifer. Who refused to bow to man and be their servant.

Fireshadow wrote:Angels are directly in contact with God Himself.

Only those who aren't fallen. Because that's what the fall is about. Fall from Grace, losing their connection to their kind of divinity.

Fireshadow wrote:or they have taken on a human form and live among us ( those do we call the Fallen Angels).

Fallen Angels can be everywhere, really. They're free to go where they please, well, except maybe heaven. But I'm not so sure about that.


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