June 2009 - present

Cyber-bullying is a serious offense against others and the freedom of the internet has caused not only children to be victims, but adults & businesses as well... we know, we here at Creepy Hollows have been victims of cyber-bullying for the past 2 years

Addressing the assertions of "Creepy Hollows Fraud" and "Creepy Hollows Scam"...

We have been bullied personally & as a business on the internet through RipOffReport, Complaint Sites, and every free venue they could find since 2007 being accused of everything from fraud to outlandish claims of lawsuits. Creepy Hollows has NEVER been the subject of a lawsuit of any kind and none of the employees at Creepy Hollows have been involved in a lawsuit involving Creepy Hollows. Their claims are completely false & groundless because they were made by our competition in order to damage our reputation. However in spite of their posts over the past 2 years Creepy Hollows has tripled in size & has become a trusted site & source for those who practice & believe in this branch of the paranormal. Cyber-bullying is serious and they have learned how to abuse not only the internet but multiple businesses to perpetrate their massive bullying campaign. We were not the only victims, since the group bullying us is competitors they have also attacked others in the paranormal & metaphysical community including other sellers, practitioners and the clients of the sellers & practitioners they are harassing.

The bullying was reported to the Syracuse, New York FBI office in April of 2008 and was officially accepted as an investigation in October 2008 by a Secret Service agent who worked with our local authorities as well as Federal authorities, eBay, and a few of the sites who did preserve integrity and common decency by removing the content. We would like to take a moment to thank those sites that took a moment of their time to look into the evidence of cyber-bullying and remove the threads that were left on their site by the group bullying us.

Alex, owner of Museum of Hoaxes
Rich, owner of Sick of Being Screwed
Dan, owner of Auction-Arses

These men are to commended for taking a second to look into a serious situation rather than ignoring the problem. They have our deepest & most profound respect and will for our lifetimes as men who stood up for what is right.

The remainder of the sites, RipOffReport, PetitionOnline and ComplaintsBoard (and others) refused to remove it citing "freedom of speech" despite the fact that it was proven to them both by ourselves & FBI investigation that the material was not only harassment but untrue and the same malicious material had been regurgitated from one site to another. We also discovered these sites are receiving literally THOUSANDS of hits a month from using our name on their site. They are reluctant to remove content on their site that is so popular and generates them revenue. For all the hits they receive to their site from exploiting our name and others they generate advertising revenue from other businesses who want to advertise on their site (because businesses who participate in the online ads you see on sites look to see how many hits a website receives before advertising with them, the more hits, the more money). Learning this bit of information from a trusted online, website tracking sources shed light for us on why the remainder of the sites claimed "freedom of speech", it is more like "freedom to make money off keeping the Creepy Hollows name on my site".

Regardless, after our grueling ordeal with being cyber-stalked & bullied we have joined forces with local (USA) charities & organizations to stop cyber-bullying as well as international organizations against bullying. Most are not up-to-date yet with the growing number of adults being bullied & stalked online, but we are in alliance with them as they continually work locally & with their respective governments to enact laws regarding cyber-bullying & harassment and we are 100% behind them. We are in support with:

LoveOurChildrenUsa
BullyingUK

The lack of charitable organizations against bullying and cyber-bullying shows the government's and civilian lag in taking action on something that is a growing epidemic with sometimes fatal consequences, "A rallying cry against cyberbullying".

We are also supporters of a bill to make cyber-bullying and variations of online harassment & stalking illegal Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act

We take cyber-bullying seriously and we do not engage on any level the posting of material on websites anonymously, threats or harassment via email, cellphone, texting, or on any social network like Facebook, Myspace, eBay, etc.

If you want to read more about the horrendous details of the last two years you can read the entries made previously by us below. In short, the only malicious material circulating about us on the internet was created by this group of competitors and if you read them you'll see they all read the same way, have the same content and so far the majority of people who have come across it have emailed us with kind, gracious comments in support of us saying they can't believe what we have been subjected to over the last few years. And to all of those people we give you a heartfelt expression of thanks as we have always strived to make Creepy Hollows a caring community where those who believe & practice the paranormal can feel safe.

Their assertions and our responses:

>> Creepy Hollows and the sellers who advertise on our forum are part of shill-bidding, are a fraud, con artist or some other similiar assertion.

We hardly run auctions on eBay so why would there be a shill-bidding group when we don't make our living on eBay or through auctions... (first part of using common sense). These allegations are part of these competitors trying to make their competition look bad. We are one of the big fish in the paranormal community therefore we're a big target. By mentioning our name they are sure to garner website traffic and usually you'll see a list of other sellers alongside our name and they do this because they know using the "Creepy Hollows" name it will get website traffic and they can simultaneously harass a group of others along with us.

>> Our sales are always dwindling

No one has access to Creepy Hollows financial information except the owners of the site and tax professionals. I couldn't walk down the street and get the financial status of any business I want anytime I want and they can't either. Not to mention our site is growing in popularity all the time, recently hitting major milestones in our site's growth including a 17,000 hits-a-day average to our forum, (hence their spamming our name on everything they write).

>> We either own all the other metaphysical sellers or that we run them all

We open our forum to any sellers who abide by common decency to advertise, they are not obligated to us and they don't have to pay to do so. We believe in a community atmosphere where everyone can share and many collectors are practitioners too so apparently according to them we run the whole world... I thank them for their confidence in us but sadly not true. Doing our work which includes conjuring, casting, running this site (which isn't small) and tending to the needs of collectors pretty much takes up all our time.

>> Someone committed suicide, died, or was otherwise damaged because of Creepy Hollows or one of the other sellers allowed to advertise on our site.

Sadly this is really one of their lies. The fact they would desecrate the real life tragedies of others shows how low (or demented) they are. They posted variations of the same story on 3 different sites and after I contacted the webmasters they investigated and found out the same IP addresses were posting over and over pretending to be different people "verifying" this actually happened. If that happened you would have seen it on the news.

>> Some law firm, lawyer, government agency, news station, reporter, etc is investigating Creepy Hollows.

Never happened. We have never been involved in a lawsuit of any kind and neither has any Creepy Hollows employee. As previously stated we were the ones who opened a formal complaint with the FBI and after they discovered we had done so they began posting we were the ones who were being investigated. We have full, supporting evidence of the investigation we opened against this group. And the only journalist who ever approached Creepy Hollows is a writer for About.com and we hope to have a collaborative article in the future regarding Haunted Houses in the USA.

>> They are not the ones starting internet petitions

Oh no, someone else is doing it. First of all, internet petitions are not legal becaue the signatures on the petitions are not notarized. You cannot verify that it is not the same person signing their petition over and over. The name of the law firm is always conveniently "withheld"... why? because there is no law firm. A law firm handling a public or civil case or class action suit posts their contact information because they want to be contacted. For reference think about the letters you received for class action lawsuits against Blockbuster, Google, and other companies. When you receive those letters the law firm's name is printed clearly at the top of the letter along with contact information for you to join the suit. If this were true all of the Creepy Hollows clients would have received letters because a class action suit means everyone who was involved with the company has a chance to join the suit... and our records would have been subpoenaed by a court of law to contact our clients. This has never happened. Creepy Hollows remains a company that fights for security & safety for all.

May 2009 -

Sellers on both sides of the now 2-year ongoing "seller wars" are complaining of being stalked, harassed and bothered by each other. Of course, we all are. We've been stalked, harassed and had a group of sellers lambaste us from stim to stern all over the internet for 2 entire years. So just like all the others who've been attacked online via every free site available we know exactly what that feels like. However, you are not the victim if you start a war by posting inflammatory guides, blogs, websites, etc, you are a participant. If you do not want the people you are attacking to come back at you then you should not attack in the first place. That is common sense. You cannot go stomp on someone's toes and when they come back and stomp on yours then fall down and cry and say you're the victim. If you want to be the kind of person who spends all their time tearing others down to make yourself credible then you should not be surprised when the people you are stepping on want to come back at you in retaliation. But to be frank all of it is completely and utterly ridiculous. Why on earth waste your time doing all of this hate-blogging all over the internet and eBay instead of working on your craft? Isn't that more important? If you are a good practitioner people will come to you because of the work you do, not because of the guides you write.

I don't get any of it, it's a waste of time and we at Creepy Hollows don't have a thing to do with any of it. We already ran the course with these people last year and the year before. We're sick of it. It doesn't get you anywhere to argue and bicker over the internet. We've found much more peace in ignoring them. Of course I will never agree, on either side, of posting pictures of a practitioner's home, inside of their home, their family or any other personal aspect. That is wrong no matter how badly someone has irritated you and no matter how much you dislike them. That is a serious violation of someone's privacy and no one wants that to happen to them. Any of the times over the last 2 years we had anything to say about anyone involved we said on our site and that's it. In fact it has pretty much been restricted to this page. If all the sellers would realize that if you minded your OWN business and stopped trying to tell everyone else in the world what is right and what is wrong there wouldn't be any fighting, arguing, stalking, harassing or anything else. I don't think that's too hard to comprehend. Don't do it and you don't have to worry about it.

At this point the seller(s) involved in the harassing and who are saying they are the victim could not walk into any court and prove they are the victim(s). They have hate-blogs running even now, they wrote website blogs posting pictures of a practitioner's home & family and they would walk into court and cry foul and the seller(s) they were attacking would say and here is their foul against us. So the claims of court cases, legal cases, lawsuits and anything else is complete folly. I know some of the long-standing practitioners in this community could come up with a great deal of evidence against the people now claiming to be the victims and if we were summoned we could blow them out of the water with everything that has been done to us over the last 2 years. We've been threatened, harassed and stalked unlike the likes you've ever seen in your life with the blog count on one website by a woman in this group over 400 posts and there were multiple websites going at one time. We have letters from the owners of those websites apologizing to us for the abuse of their websites by this woman and her friends and we know for a fact that the seller claiming victim now is close with this woman. At this point every seller involved in this could hire an attorney to send the other group of sellers a letter saying "cease and desist" but that's as far as it's going to go, so if every seller wants everyone else to stop you have to stop first yourself. Collectors who have any sense of right and wrong are going to see clearly who are the ones causing the problems and who are the ones who are the real victims. Timelines play a big part in that. The community is small and if you post a guide attacking someone and they write a guide to their collectors explaining your hate guide and then you claim they bothered your first it doesn't take people long to figure out who started it. You don't write a rebuttal blog unless you are responding to what someone else says first.

So rather than nitpick for another 2 years and keep this childish, ridiculous behavior going how about everyone exercise a modicum of intelligence and knock it off. It doesn't mean everyone has to have a big, group hug together and all be friends. It means minding your own business and not worrying about what other practitioners are doing and focus on your own craft. There's a vulgar but appropriate quote "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one", it's true moreso in the paranormal community than anywhere else. Of course you are not going to get two practitioners who are going to agree on every point about the metaphysical and paranormal but just because you don't agree with another practitioner doesn't make you right and it doesn't make you an expert, it means you have an opinon. And as long as you leave hate-blogs and attacking guides up you are asking for those practitioners you are insulting to be upset with you.

I say throw the peace card and everyone go their own way.

April 2009 -

I'm going to start by saying that myself, Ash and Princess here at Creepy Hollows think the BS going on amongst the drama sellers in the paranormal community is ridiculous. All of this fighting, arguing, creating blogs, and such is out of control and they all need to knock it off. All of this childish fighting is a complete waste of everyone's time. If they want to waste their lives, fine, but we're too busy to be bothered with all of this junk. It's been going on for 2 years, people who are that jealous & crazy are mentally challenged. If we have something to say about another seller we say it on our own site but we don't usually make many comments regarding other practitioners. There are so many lies, rumors and speculations flying around via email and phone about every practitioner on eBay that Hollywood could be fueled with soap opera material for years. It's all crap and anyone who's addicted to drama is having a good time fueling the fire but for us it's ridiculous to waste that much time just trying to spew gossip & hate. We don't start blogs on eBay sellers because eBay isn't our primary venue, this website is. And there isn't one eBay seller we view as competition, why would we? We've been here longer than 98% of them and they come here to read material and get ideas for their work, not the other way around, obviously. Their accusations we have something to do with any of the new or old "reveal" blogs is complete BS. We don't have anything to do with any website other than our own. So if they want to make up stories about class action law suits or whatever else which is all lies as usual that's fine. But we haven't posted anything or anyone's picture and I think it's funny they should be crying about it because they posted pictures of a seller, her daughter and the inside of her home on their blog. Apparently it's only okay when they do it to someone else. It's all a bunch of childish, time-wasting crap. So if these sellers want to keep it up then they can waste their lives. The rest of us who are actually here because we're serious about the paranormal are doing our work.

They are opening blogs, writing other people's blogs, commenting on their own blogs pretending to be other people and everything else they've been doing for the past 2 years. They are the ones responsible for all the complaint sites, RipOff reports, blogs, etc. They all read the same, they say the same things and you can tell the same bunch wrote them all. Anyone with half a brain cell can tell it's all being done by the same group and they have nothing better to do with their time. They make the most outlandish and outrageous claims, like human trafficking (apparently people come to meet us and we sell them... except for the fact, we don't meet people in person from online and nor have we ever sold a service that provides a meeting in person or even on the phone)... yes, I'm not kidding they really think intelligent people are going to believe this. Please do call the FBI, in fact save yourself some time and contact the Syracuse Secret Service office because that is where we made our formal complaint about this group and they already have all of our information including all of their information. Yes, we know who "they" are. They have other people who come and go but those are the 4 that are the constant stalkers. We know exactly who they are because 3 out of the 4 of them were denied advertising on this site after some questionable behavior. They are upset about being denied advertising through our immensely popular and heavily visited forum. That has inspired professional jealousy unlike you've ever seen before. Also, we don't find it coincidence that Sharon & Vonetta's eBay IDs were created so closely together and they are also in this group of harassers... with this group there is no such thing as coincidence and new eBay IDs run by this group are being identified all the time.

What we find sick is that this group of adults gets their jollies from bullying and harassing others. If you don't believe in something you have a right not to believe, but you DO NOT have a right to harass the living spit out of someone. Of course in this case their blogspot and Twitter (which by the way, who else noticed they opened their Twitter just days after we launched ours? They are so obssessed it's almost psychotic) is the result of being competing sellers. They are the same group of competing sellers that has always been making a mockery of the paranormal world. And now it extends to include a woman & her friends who disbelieve in Vampires so much they are actually joining this group of vicious sellers just to torment those who don't believe what she believes regarding Vampires. If you don't want to believe in something, then don't.

You don't have to be on this site or any other site that doesn't believe in what you believe, there is a big world out there and if you want to waste your life consumed by and consuming others in hate that is your cross to bear. We're not going to eliminate forum members or sellers who advertise on our forum just because you don't like them. That is completely unfair to try and bully someone to death just because you don't like another forum member or a seller who advertises on the forum. We welcome anyone who wants to behave like a civilized adult or civilized human being in general and happily more than 600 members on our forum and there are those among them who have conflicting ideologies manage to co-exist without resorting to harassment & cyber-bullying.

Look folks, you have a right to believe in whatever you want to and the right NOT to believe in whatever you want to, you wouldn't want to be cyber-bullied or harassed to death because you choose to believe the sky is blue when another group wants to tell you the sky is pink. I thank those of you who send us the emails but we don't care about this group in the slightest and if they aren't smart enough to figure out that the world doesn't want to be victimized to believe what they want to force them to believe that is their problem. We can't help professional jealousy of this extent. You cannot rationalize with the irrational. This group of grown adults is obssessed enough to have a blogspot and Twitter account dedicated to us and if they insist on giving us more traffic and more business that is their decision. They choose to live their lives breeding and spewing hate for anyone they don't like, we don't and will not live our lives that way. Sorry meta-blogspot group but we're not your problem, the fact grown adults choose to act like dictating 7th graders is your problem. You can manufacture as much shock & awe "evidence" as you want, the fact remains a group of grown adults has willingly consented to cyber-bully the life out of any seller, practitioner, collector or bystander who doesn't want to obey their set of rules.

We're not telling you they are real or fake, we don't know and we don't care enough about them to find out. There can be real witches and real practitioners who are jerks, why not? There are jerks in every other profession in the world and believe it or not the metaphysical world is the absolute worst for gossip, slander, etc. It's worse than Hollywood.

This group always uses our name in their blogs, sites and such because without using the word "Creepy Hollows", or "creepyhollows", "creepy hollows fraud", "creepy hollows scam" or "creepyhollows.com" no one would see them. Our site garners an average of 17,000 hits a day as tracked by 3 independent companies that record web statistics and we are routinelly in the top 500,000 sites that exist in the United States. Without including our name on their garbage no one would see it, so they put our name in as much as they can.

They are always making up some kind of BS to get attention, make it look like they know what is really going on and this group, nor any of their cohorts, have intimate access into our servers, our site, our home, our eBay account or anything else. They've never had unrestricted access to our forum or been given any secret information. Because why on earth would we trust them with any information? LOL

You can't make this stuff up folks, this is really what they spend their time doing. We sent a survey last week through a third-party company and asked our distribution list of clients about the trash talk and to our surprise over 20 different people said they found us because of this group's trash-talking and if it hadn't been for it they may not have found us. A few said they knew right away it was all lies because of the ridiculous claims, others said they could tell it was written by a competitor, others said it was so outlandish it made them laugh and they all ended up at our site, all ended up coming into the CH community and all knew our site was real. If all this time we had really wasted our time by posting on anonymous sites as they do and they claim we do against them then our site wouldn't be the size it is. We are a 3-person show right now.

If Ash, myself or Creepy Hollows as a whole has anything to say we're going to do it on our own site, we don't need anonymous sites our site gets plenty of traffic.

You'll know who they are when you get to their sites, when you read their eBay pages or ME pages and you'll do what is right for you. It's not for me or anyone else to tell you what you need to do in life. I can tell you that people whose sole focus is hate, spreading hate and trying to get you to feed into their hate will only bring enormous amounts of negativity around you. We choose the positive side as most human beings. Unfortunately some of their victims who they've tricked into being with their group don't realize their part of it until it's too late.

There's an old saying "The only reason anyone would ever hate you is because they want to be just like you" and that statement couldn't be more true in this situation if someone hand-picked it.

We support a community because we believe when it comes to the paranormal all information is good information when it comes to varying ideologies and it is up to the collectors to make the decision what is right for them and what path they are going to follow. Unlike this terrorist group we don't try to be dictators and shove just what we think down your throats and threaten any practitioners or sellers who oppose our views. All sellers, practitioners and collectors who are also practitioners are welcome to be on the site and they are welcomed without any dues or owing us anything as long as they abide by general, common decency rules. We don't charge any seller for advertising on our forum and when we open the new sister-site that is supporting more than 100 different local & online practitioners none of them paid us anything for us giving them advertising.

The fact this terrorist group would even say that is so ridiculous because the only place sellers are right now is in the forum and our site is a lot bigger than the forum and we have reviews of hundreds of sellers, all of whom gain business from being on our site so I welcome anyone to pick any seller off the Seller Review list or the Seller Announcements forum randomly and ask them if we charge them and I can say that with confidence because no sellers pay us anything.

The only thing that can be guaranteed by visiting any page or blog by this group of nutjobs is that you are going to be up to your neck in BS, you'll leave with so much negative energy attached to you that most people feel sick after leaving, and you've added importance to a group that isn't important at all. If they were the true & pure people they claim to be in terms of being knowledgeable in the occult and such they would spend all this time and energy building their own site with information, educating people and HELPING people... but they don't. So either they don't know anything about the truth in the paranormal or they are really just that rotten in their souls they get more pleasure from hurting others rather than helping others. They don't care about you, me or anyone else, they only care about hurting you, me and everyone the can for their own grab at power.

We don't condone bullying of sellers or collectors and we don't support selllers or collectors who do it. If a seller or collector is caught doing it we remove them from our site and we don't give them free advertising from our site. And if you are someone who doesn't believe in bullying then you, as a collector, have to realize you are the ones who have the power to remove it from the metaphysical community. Refuse to buy from sellers who have bash-blogs, bullying eBay guides or who write to you via email or call you on the phone and try to badmouth others to you. If business starts walking away from them because they are bullies they'll stop.

So we are very well aware of the trash on the internet and that is all it is... trash. They want so badly to be recognized by us, for our attention, for them to know we're thinking about them that they will write other sellers just to talk about us, they talk to their customers about us, they spend HOURS neglecting their own lives & family to zip around the internet & post about us every free moment, email threats to us and they even dedicate their own site to us.