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Vampirika wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:04 am I have checked this with my warrior angel, he is a great protector, but when I asked him why he did let some annoyance in he said, that was an intruder, basically informing he just missed that intruder for some reason. So this means I sometimes need to task several times for the same task because I have other spirits who should help my warrior and they are supposed to automatically guard according to seller's description but for some reason they sometimes don't provide perfect protection. In my case I am talking mainly of living entities. I do have some protective (dead) spirits as well though. They do what they can and I think sometimes it is ok to have those annoying beings around in small doses, it helps growing spiritual resilience and getting an understanding on that kind of beings as well by being exposed to them.
This does sound similar to what she was describing. There have been instances where a protective entity has elected not to remove smaller beings. Something about a lesson meant to be learned, or the assertion that she was capable of dealing with the entities herself.

That being said, many of these attacks have been extremely serious. Highly aggressive entities that, for all intensive purposes, really did seem like they were trying to kill her. A lot of malice involved. And under these circumstances her companions have helped, yes. But intermittently. Her running theory has been that they may have been exhausted by the sheer number of malicious entities. Sometimes they haven't answered her call at all.

It's been a frustrating experience for her, to say the least. I've been trying to look into methods of helping her, or at least reducing the severity. I've even requested my own companions to help, if able.


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Tarvos wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:57 pm
I understand where your friend is coming since I don't task my companions as well. But I hasn't had this problem before. This is kinda hard to reply since it's written based on your understanding of her situation. I'm just assuming at best.

Personally, I don't like to give my companions strict rules to follow, but I do have some long guidelines to make sure I'm comfortable before diving in and the need to ensure that my companions and I am on the same page. My house "rules" are more like loose agreements that I tweak based on our interactions.

Regarding your friend's situation, three things come to mind: protection spirits/entities, protection spells, and house rules.

Protection spirits or entities can greatly prevent spiritual attacks. It's like a skinny bouncer at a club - he won't scare anyone away, and they might even try to sneak in because they think they can get past him.
Not all races of spirits are equal when it comes to protection. It's important to consider race of the protection spirits.

When your friend mentioned having "powerful" spirits/entities, it's worth asking how she defines powerful, what their main abilities are, and if they are primarily for protection.

Similarly, if your friend has the strongest protection spells and doesn't engage in conjuring, rituals, or anything more involved, she may not need protection spirits. But still, she'd need good protection spells in place.

As for the house rules, there's certainly a lot that could go awry. I concur with Darknorth that if she has her companions report back to her regularly on what's going on, they'd follow her commands accordingly, in the absence of specific guidelines.
Alternatively, she could sit down and brainstorm all possible scenarios to include in the house rules, so that her companions know how to handle any unexpected situations and whether they're authorized to act on her behalf. Well, we certainly don't want our companions to come in and cause chaos, do as they please, and leave us in a mess, now do we? Like Thyr mentioned, it might be wise to consider their bindings and many other factors before allowing them to act on their own accord.

Lewk's advice is also worth taking into account. Is she sure that the spiritual attacks are actually external and not just internal struggles? Additionally, the races of the spirits she's befriending could play a significant role in this. It's not advisable to ask someone at a water park to help with tax papers, after all. So perhaps take a little bit of break from the metaphysical and see if everything is clear.

It's possible that she may be overestimating the strength of her bonds with her many companions. I don't mean this as an insult, of course, but it's important to recognize that there may be aspects of their personalities that she hasn't yet grasped. Misunderstandings can also arise if communication between her and her companions is unclear. Therefore, she can continue what she's doing and ask her companions for guidance on how to proceed.

In my experience, even my non-social companions are quite active, manifesting themselves at least to 3-4 times a day on average, it's usually more. So my companions are anything but inactive and I don't task them. I'm the worst at tasking and wishing so I'll leave it as that. Lol.
Other than that, I'd love to hear about her progress and hopefully there's good news to share.
This is great feedback - thank you.

I'll preface this by saying that she is a very... Unique case. I've known her for 10+ years, and I've seen a lot of strange things occur around, and involving, her. She's a bit of an entity magnet. I've never seen anything like it before.

To address what you mentioned, she has quite a variety in protective-entity species. At the height of the attacks, she was actively bringing on new companions of all different types in an effort to quell the worst of it. I don't think there's any harm in suggesting that she might not have the closest relationship and/or understanding of all of them. She has had some for many years, others for a few weeks. She does also have CH protective companions. I also asked my own companions to lend help, if able.

In terms of rituals, she performs protective ones on occasion. Not as often as might be needed, given the circumstances. So there's room to alter behaviour there. She also lives in a very active house; it's 100+ years old, used to be a place of worship, and is right at the crossroads.

As far as house rules are considered, I intend on bringing it up again. There's nothing obviously wrong with the house rules she's established, from what she's shared, but there may be improvements that can be made with the suggestions people have provided.

I do agree that it's important to approach instances like this with a balance of skepticism and spiritual awareness. I've been very careful in my recommendations and approach to the whole situation, and we've discussed the issue at length, and gone over all sorts of possibilities. Projection? Mental illness? Physical illness? She has a clean bill of health, however, mentally and physically, and no family history of illnesses in either regard. Threw in a visit to her physician, just to be safe, but there wasn't anything of note.

Just to list a few of the things that she has experienced;
  • Pain, at times like being stabbed
  • Graphic, disturbing, violent dreams
  • The sense of being strangled at night
  • The sense of being assaulted at night
  • Heaviness, like weights pressed on her body
  • Intense, hostile entity presences - always plural
All of these things are extremely abnormal for her. In the case of dreams, for example, prior to the move her average dream consisted of silly, simple things like stuffed animal parades at a theme park. Her dreams have progressed to the point of being extremely disturbing.

She did attempt to break from anything metaphysical for a time, but that's quite the challenge with the symptoms listed above. At the height of things she could expect all of these things every single day.

This is just a cursory glimpse, but hopefully it helps to paint the picture here. It has been suggested that there might simply be too many entities involved, to the point where it's overwhelming her companions. Figure this could be the case? Or, alternatively, any other theories as to what might be happening?


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Lewk wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:38 pm The first, most obvious thing is she may not be reading things correctly. (I don't know.)

Another possible issue is the way we all (or many of us) link to things almost unconsciously, unwittingly -- which our spirit companions may not interfere with because, if it's our free will to do so, why not wait until we ask for help? (Again I've no idea if this is the case.) It can be hard for many of us to delink effectively from what troubles us.

Finally, we need to gently, subtly, considerately invite our spirit companions to aid us. If we don't or can't listen sensitively to them, we may miss the feedback they give us about what they *are* doing to help us. We may not notice which being is taking the lead on that and so fail to connect effectively with the protection or help they are providing.

With myself I notice when I'm clear and in a sensitive state I'm more likely to be connecting effectively with whatever help I'm being given. Otherwise I may be stuck in repetitive loops of being unable to switch off or delink from my problem and be unable to tune in to the protection or help that's being offered.

Plus our spirits can't always just wave a magic wand and make things perfect, if you see what I mean. We're part of the equation too. And there may be complex factors at work in any given situation.

Just my thoughts fwiw.

tl/r: If we write a crystal clear house rule that we be protected from any form of external psychic or paranormal attack, and we have a good mix of specialist protection spirits, that should be pretty effective. But what if we're generating our own problems in some ways? Self sabotage, projection, shadow issues etc? And we don't recognise them for what they are? Internally generated 'attack' won't be resolved by external protection. And we can have both things going on at once.

Disclaimer: These are just thoughts, not comments on the person's situation, as I don't know them.
Hmm... This is a great reflection.

It's challenging to measure how much, exactly, she has been communicating with her companions or listening for what they may have been doing to help her. I can't speak on her behalf in that regard, or read her mind as to how much effort she has put in. I know there have been occasions here and there where her companions had been helping but she did not notice. It may well be that the situation is simply at such an extreme that it's difficult to see who is doing what.

Divination also does appear to suggest that focusing closely on her companions, bridging their energy to her and such, could be helpful.

The waters are very murky here. So I completely agree - it's difficult to know how things started, what - precisely - is happening, and thus how to create a prognosis.

Thank you for your advice. It's very insightful, and I will make sure to relay your recommendations.


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Thyr wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:53 pm It could be like Darknorth mentioned.
Another reason could be that her companions see her fully capable of handling the situation on her own and she might be lacking some confidence or insight she's about to gain. Best would be to reflect on the circumstances at hand: Her house rules, the overall situation, who are the aggressors and why do they attack without her companions interfering, could there be other ways to deal with the situation etc. pp.
It could also depend on the binding of the companions (best thing to ask the conjurer about). Some conjurers insist on very strict rules and might even bind a companion in a way that prevents them from acting without explicit commands.
I'd be inclined to agree about the lesson learning/reflection aspect if the attacks weren't as severe as they are. We're talking things like brutal dreams, the sensation of being choked, assaulted, and just debilitating pain (she described it like feeling as if someone was stabbing her). She's also described the sense of... Things like parasites, white worms, burrowing into her flesh. It's some pretty wild stuff.

In terms of companions, I have conjured for her, and my bindings permit entities to provide protection unhindered. She also has companions from CH as well as a few other reputed conjurors.

IF we are going to assume that this is not a psychological or physiological issue (believe me, we've been there on that possibility), and IF we assume her companions are not ambivalent towards her distress, it follows that there must be something else. Another variable that's muddying the waters...


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luxnoctis wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:38 am This is great feedback - thank you.

I'll preface this by saying that she is a very... Unique case. I've known her for 10+ years, and I've seen a lot of strange things occur around, and involving, her. She's a bit of an entity magnet. I've never seen anything like it before.

To address what you mentioned, she has quite a variety in protective-entity species. At the height of the attacks, she was actively bringing on new companions of all different types in an effort to quell the worst of it. I don't think there's any harm in suggesting that she might not have the closest relationship and/or understanding of all of them. She has had some for many years, others for a few weeks. She does also have CH protective companions. I also asked my own companions to lend help, if able.

In terms of rituals, she performs protective ones on occasion. Not as often as might be needed, given the circumstances. So there's room to alter behaviour there. She also lives in a very active house; it's 100+ years old, used to be a place of worship, and is right at the crossroads.

As far as house rules are considered, I intend on bringing it up again. There's nothing obviously wrong with the house rules she's established, from what she's shared, but there may be improvements that can be made with the suggestions people have provided.

I do agree that it's important to approach instances like this with a balance of skepticism and spiritual awareness. I've been very careful in my recommendations and approach to the whole situation, and we've discussed the issue at length, and gone over all sorts of possibilities. Projection? Mental illness? Physical illness? She has a clean bill of health, however, mentally and physically, and no family history of illnesses in either regard. Threw in a visit to her physician, just to be safe, but there wasn't anything of note.

Just to list a few of the things that she has experienced;
  • Pain, at times like being stabbed
  • Graphic, disturbing, violent dreams
  • The sense of being strangled at night
  • The sense of being assaulted at night
  • Heaviness, like weights pressed on her body
  • Intense, hostile entity presences - always plural
All of these things are extremely abnormal for her. In the case of dreams, for example, prior to the move her average dream consisted of silly, simple things like stuffed animal parades at a theme park. Her dreams have progressed to the point of being extremely disturbing.

She did attempt to break from anything metaphysical for a time, but that's quite the challenge with the symptoms listed above. At the height of things she could expect all of these things every single day.

This is just a cursory glimpse, but hopefully it helps to paint the picture here. It has been suggested that there might simply be too many entities involved, to the point where it's overwhelming her companions. Figure this could be the case? Or, alternatively, any other theories as to what might be happening?
I'm terribly sorry to hear about your friend's situation. She's truly lucky to have such a wonderful friend like you by her side. I'll do my best to assist you guys.
After seeing this post of yours, I consulted with my trusted entity for some insights. Even though she's very humble and prefers not to be mentioned, I felt it was necessary to thank her.

Regarding the protection spirits and spells, I did mention them as 2 of the 3 things that came to mind, but I didn't want to assume. So I tried to cover all possible scenarios in my previous post. It appears we may have found the root cause: protection.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm sure your friend has ample protection, but it's just not enough. I believe her protection companions are overwhelmed as well. As someone who is also a bit of a magnet, I deal with 20 to 30 attacks daily, sometimes even more. I'm not sure how many attacks your friend has endured, but it seems to have taken a toll on her companions.

It's important to remember that living entities have their own lives to live, so they can't be around 24/7 to protect you. It's like us humans, we have to go to work to provide for ourselves, we can't just stay home and do nothing. I wouldn't want to give you the impression that her entities have fleeting relationships with her, because that's simply not true. But they have to attend to their own responsibilities.

As for rituals, I recommend the protection one that Ash already posted. viewtopic.php?f=436&t=13973&p=139635
Your friend should perform it as soon as possible instead of waiting for the perfect time. Since the dreams are extremely disturbing, it wouldn't hurt for her to look into some astral protection.

We recommend that she start with 4 more protection spirits and 5 protection spells from CH. Along with the 10-day ritual link provided above, this should help to subside most of the malicious presences.
If you're in need of some extra support, why not try reaching out to CH? They might just have the solution you're looking for.


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