Has anyone ever worked with a male Aspara I am not talking about the Gandharvas because they also have their own females, the Gandharvis. They sometimes take Asparas as wives but they are different species .

I know about mythology , genders and all that but I have already worked with male naiads and dryads and some who just seem to not be very gendered in human terms but more aliens . So do any people have worked with a male Apsara

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Astreum wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:29 pm Has anyone ever worked with a male Aspara I am not talking about the Gandharvas because they also have their own females, the Gandharvis. They sometimes take Asparas as wives but they are different species .

I know about mythology , genders and all that but I have already worked with male naiads and dryads and some who just seem to not be very gendered in human terms but more aliens . So do any people have worked with a male Apsara

Cordially

I have a female Apsara.

All the information I have come across says they're female. ie There are no male Apsaras. That seems pretty set/fixed. So I wonder what leads you to think that there genuinely could be male ones?

Yes, I've read posts here about gender fluid spirits. But I'm not certain that can be applied with certainty to any and every race of spirit. If you're wondering if Apsaras (a female species) can be ungendered, diverse or fluid, my suspicion is most likely not.

I've experienced unbound spirits tell me they're a type of spirit then clarify later that they're like that type of spirit. That might muddy the waters, so to speak.

Creepy Hollows lists male dryads but not male naiads. That seems to be another female species. Perhaps similar water spirits that are male should simply have another name. Or perhaps another seller has simply called them Naiads?

tl/dr: As you can tell, I'm not convinced there are male Apsaras or Naiads. However I know not every one uses the same definitions.

Lewk wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:36 am

Astreum wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:29 pm Has anyone ever worked with a male Aspara I am not talking about the Gandharvas because they also have their own females, the Gandharvis. They sometimes take Asparas as wives but they are different species .

I know about mythology , genders and all that but I have already worked with male naiads and dryads and some who just seem to not be very gendered in human terms but more aliens . So do any people have worked with a male Apsara

Cordially

I have a female Apsara.

All the information I have come across says they're female. ie There are no male Apsaras. That seems pretty set/fixed. So I wonder what leads you to think that there genuinely could be male ones?

Yes, I've read posts here about gender fluid spirits. But I'm not certain that can be applied with certainty to any and every race of spirit. If you're wondering if Apsaras (a female species) can be ungendered, diverse or fluid, my suspicion is most likely not.

I've experienced unbound spirits tell me they're a type of spirit then clarify later that they're like that type of spirit. That might muddy the waters, so to speak.

Creepy Hollows lists male dryads but not male naiads. That seems to be another female species. Perhaps similar water spirits that are male should simply have another name. Or perhaps another seller has simply called them Naiads?

tl/dr: As you can tell, I'm not convinced there are male Apsaras or Naiads. However I know not every one uses the same definitions.

I'm glad you brought this up and in fact I would first say that I just think that most spirits are not exactly what mythologies make them out to be and that human occultism and elves are not lesser fragments of their true nature.

The elves are the most perfect example.

The term elf has been used throughout history so many times that it no longer makes sense. The Norse elves of Alfheim are not that close to the Tolkenian elves and are highly alien there . The Germanic Elves are also highly different and even have a succubus and demonic aspect. In some regions elves were also believed to be an exclusively female species . Others imagine elves as mischievous little creatures .

The thing is that the image of elves evolved just like human societies so we can have two hypotheses:

-Or there are just lots of different species of elves even if nothing seems to be related to each other (lots of mythological elves have nothing to do with our current image, those of creepy hollow or Tolkien or even to sometime common fae )

-Either that these elves "evolved" with human societies or rather that the term elves was applied to different creatures throughout history . I could say these are spirits whose true nature is difficult to understand for humans and our mythology does not even discover a quarter of what these spirits truly are.

Personally I have a more Jacque Vallée opinion on this phenomenon and I sincerely think that these spirits are extra-dimensional and ethereal or semi-ethereal and just change their appearance throughout history .

I think they are much more inhuman and alien than they let on.

Even the term Fae is a collective term for species that are spiritually and in essence unrelated . Just like the term angelic because the little winged cherubim are Putto and originally have no relation to the biblical cherubim .

So in fact I really start from the principle that human mythology and occultism is very inaccurate and that these spirits just adapt and that most of the time the name of these spirits rather designates a set of spirits.

I didn't think that at first but I really came to this hypothesis that most of the spirits were clearly more inhuman and alien and took on the appearance that seemed most appropriate.


For the male naiads it was one of the most realistic experiences where I had seen these very beautiful, ethereal, androgynous young people with skin that seems to mix with water. There were females and some males and they had wavy blonde hair. They then came back in dreams and there were different types of these beings.

Moreover, the fact that most mono-gendered species are female and hypersexual who seem to be some male wet dream (the vast majoirty of female only species are basically hypersexual enchantresses or celestial courteasans that serve male deitites and men ). Due to the fact that most poets and legend tellers are male this could also be understoode the case of spirits who appear to people in the way they deem most appropriate because too many mono-gendered species are basically male wet dream which happen to be only-female race you would agree that it seem very shady .

There are not really so much male only specie centaurs , faunes and satyrs have female in many myths .

I mean truly: most mono-gendered species are hypersexualized females who are used as courteasans or consorts to male deities and mortals from the Apsara to the Houris to many Hellenic nymphs What are the chances that there are hundreds of only-female heavenly escorts and sexy female only monstersgirls.

P.S I have no idea why do I have emojis in my text sorry

There's a difference between spirit keeping perspectives on spirits (like elves) and the mixture of ideas in mythology. CH's field-leading information is what I think of as an initiated approach, based perhaps on experience as much - or more than - lore.

Significant amounts of accumulated mythology and a great deal of modern culture on spirits, eg Tolkienesque tropes - are misleading.

Thinking about it, I feel very lucky to have been exposed to the insights spirit keeping has brought. And to the valuable info CH imparts.

I said people use different definitions but some ideas are just wrong. Reading Wikipedia or mythology encyclopedias or folklore, it can be hard to see the truth amongst all the cultural noise.

Astreum wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:29 pm Has anyone ever worked with a male Aspara I am not talking about the Gandharvas because they also have their own females, the Gandharvis. They sometimes take Asparas as wives but they are different species .

I know about mythology , genders and all that but I have already worked with male naiads and dryads and some who just seem to not be very gendered in human terms but more aliens . So do any people have worked with a male Apsara

Cordially

I may not have personal experience working with the races mentioned above, but I've heard some intriguing stories. My Keep tells me that male Apsaras do exist. Funny enough, we almost had a male Hag companion, who happens to be an acquaintance of our angel. Hags are typically a female-dominated race, so stumbling upon a male Hag is as rare as hen's teeth. Yet, there he was.

I also got with a gender-fluid nature spirit who prefers they/them pronouns. It took me some time to adjust to using these terms, mainly because they appear rather masculine.

While our own mythology has its norms, I believe it's entirely possible that some races might include members of less dominant genders. These unique beings might be like hidden gems, shining their rarity among the rest.

Astreum wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:29 pm Has anyone ever worked with a male Aspara I am not talking about the Gandharvas because they also have their own females, the Gandharvis. They sometimes take Asparas as wives but they are different species .
I know about mythology , genders and all that but I have already worked with male naiads and dryads and some who just seem to not be very gendered in human terms but more aliens . So do any people have worked with a male Apsara
Cordially

I had experiences with Apsaras, they were female.