What is remembered and what is not known? I don't know how far into the discussion we should get on the public forum, but sufficed to say it was both gut & heart wrenching to hear. Of course any tale of human murder is gruesome when it involves anything other than a quick & merciful death.

Out of the unknown number in total, we have contacted 4 of the victims we can positively attribute to the group because of their common recognition of a few, key factors. Of the 4 only 1 of them is an early victim of catatonic murder, while the other 3 were later victims.

Of the memory of the catatonic victim they disclosed clearly feeling what was comparable to weightlessness and then the feeling of being very heavy, back & forth, over and over. In our piecing together the testimony of the spirit versus the existing documentation it sounds like that is what they felt during the ritual to remove their energy from their body... which begged my question does the physical body "hold" onto our energy? To which my first thought is, it must. There must be some formulaic reason our body contains & recycles energy (while allowing for growth of energy within & around us over time) and our energy doesn't simply & constantly disperse. Obviously we leave energy trails as we live, but our body is not constantly "dumping" energy out & taking new energy in.

Don't know how I didn't post here before but this is a interesting things even if creepy, but again humans have show that they can be very creepy. To me I wonder why, I mean there's better ways to make servants like a thougthform, why kill someone?

Would love read more and this kind o remind me of a case we had here recently, creepy in a total new way.

Wow, this goes deeper than I initially thought. Isn't this similar to the voodoo zombies, where they are given a potion, buried alive, then dug back up, to be used as servants at a later date?

For Zombification read fellow Harvard grad Dr. Wade Davis...The Serpent & The Rainbow....also read anyhting you can about the now deceased Prof Emeritus Richard Evans Schultes on anyhting that has to do with wierd mediCINE & plants...I remember walking thru HArvard YArd at the end of my working day...and then past then science center and then pas a maze on old timey brick buildings...and schultes would almost always be at his window desk in a semibasement office working on some new discovery....He was the person who changed the world's entire understanding of botany.



Schultes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evans_Schultes

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/uni ... ultes.html

http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/sch3bio-1

Davis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Davis

Caiyros

Magnolia, this is such an interesting topic! Please continue to post. I am learning so much!!

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To me I wonder why, I mean there's better ways to make servants like a thougthform, why kill someone?

The whole "why" isn't really known. I believe that if the necessary documents to piece together what has come into private collection exists then they are also in private collection & won't be realized until that owners death or sale of the documents... or they are in the Vatican and less than .00001% of the world's population knows they exist.

A thoughtform, while useful in some ways, is not really a living being in the sense that we are living. To be able to steal the essence of existence via it's core component (energy) and have it be conscious enough to understand orders & expectations is a gigantic goal. They must have realized at the onset that the trial & error of this would cost lives.

Wow, this goes deeper than I initially thought. Isn't this similar to the voodoo zombies, where they are given a potion, buried alive, then dug back up, to be used as servants at a later date?

Zombification is something that is culturally specific. I believe there is an article on here written about Zombification and I saw with my own eyes the result of New Orleans Zombie practice. This isn't the same. While a Zombie is a slave, of sorts, they lack the ability to transcend realms and are limited by physical state, and lack a great deal of energy. Whereas this would be a being comprised completely of their essence energy and be able to accomplish things beyond physical limitations; in body & realm.

In 1604, in England, three girls were slaughtered at the behest of a man known, then & now (in texts referencing the event), as Argilian. His ties to the methodology we've been discussing is non-existent, but the ideology of re-animating energy from a dead or dying person, is not new. Argilian believed that re-animation was possible via blood. There's some discrepancy in history about whether their throats were cut, or if it was their throats, wrists, and inner thighs, but regardless, he drained as much as he could into three, individual vessels and attempted to re-animate the girls as energy forms from their blood.

This difference between them is that this group of people believed energy is attached and cannot be fully realized as its own being unless it is detached from the bond with the physical body. My personal insight is that this group had Gnostic roots. As someone who studied the Gnostic faith (precursor to common-day Christianity) the ideology of mysticism transcending the physical limitation resonates with the actions of this group; as extreme to the views of the Gnostic faith as a whole as that may be.

creepyhollows wrote: The whole "why" isn't really known. I believe that if the necessary documents to piece together what has come into private collection exists then they are also in private collection & won't be realized until that owners death or sale of the documents... or they are in the Vatican and less than .00001% of the world's population knows they exist.

A thoughtform, while useful in some ways, is not really a living being in the sense that we are living. To be able to steal the essence of existence via it's core component (energy) and have it be conscious enough to understand orders & expectations is a gigantic goal. They must have realized at the onset that the trial & error of this would cost lives.

And that is why even when I say joking, I always thought that invading that Vatican could be very useful. I can only imagine what they have there. But I see you point beside like many grimoires I suppose it will be difficult to find all the details on the documents alone or part of them.

I can see the difference :think: But more of my questions will be involved on the part of why. I can see how some people would find useful a servant like that but they are taking lifes, and this obviously didn't matter much to them. I wonder how they got to the conclusion this was okay.