I think the threads should stay where they are for the simple reason that I've read introductory threads from people new to spirit keeping and they are waiting for their first spirit which is an oh-so-cool demon! Which to me is a very immature thing to do. Not everyone on this board is over 18 and the ones I'm referring to sound like they are really young or very immature. Don't mean to offend anyone but that's how some of those threads sound. And these demons may or may not be real demons but at least here they will be able to read the truth without any biased interference from the site owners. I'm sure I don't need to say any more about that. Not everyone who reads this forum will join, but the truth needs to be out there. This is the only forum I've seen where truth is allowed without any interference from the owners. (Disclaimer: I must add that there are forums that have started since ebay's banning of metaphysical sellers and I am not including them in that statement because I haven't been to any of them.)

AmnesiaReminisced wrote:I just want to clarify here, in my post, I wasn't stating that a demon would have their feelings hurt about this forum. I was stating from OUR (humans) standpoint, it was only fair to have open sections for all spirits and entities, whether they be WA DA or BA. I meant, as things are now, they are fine.

Yorick wrote:Same here, I know they couldn't care less. I'm just pushing for spirit/entity equality here so that we don't outlaw specific types.

Alright, then I misunderstood.
Though I think any statement of equality when it comes to demons is a little unfitting, I don't believe they are meant to be kept so widely at all; but discussed..certainly.
I felt it necessary to state what I did, as the mindset of treating them personally as equals in scope comes up a lot and is one of the most misguided notions. There is so much of that, even subtly, that I'm on automatic to point this out..lol. But, unrelated to the thread's purpose so I'll leave it at that.

I think part of the question here is, why educate the fool's? Not to say that demon keeping, or keeping any DA or BA spirit or entity is foolish, but why educate the people who enter into these types of relationships foolishly? Because it is possible they are not foolish at all, but merely ignorant. If we can educate the ignorant, we improve not just their lives, but by virtue of that improvement to society, we also improve our own lives.

Brightest blessings...
Selqet

I did say in my original post that a lot of people won't like my suggestion, but it's great that we can agree and disagree in a constructive manner.

Posting in the advanced area of the Forum is not hiding the information or censoring it by any means, nor does it affect one's freedom of speech. Before I made my post I did consider all these aspects. The access on the different levels of forum is to allow members to follow their learning path to learn and familiarise themselves with Spirit Keeping before moving on to more advanced aspects of it.

There are very young members on the board, 15 -16 yo and more so who aren't even registered and that was the main basis of my suggestion.

Again, someone commented that if something goes wrong it should be put down to experience. Respectfully, in this particular case, I disagree, because the consequences of choosing wrong in this matter may not be as simple as just moving on, and could seriously impact on that keeper's life.

I am all about learning and constructing and informative debates, I am just uncomfortable with the idea of over exposure to a certain age group.

Oh, and Lady Elisa, being around the Forum and reading and participating for a long time it does actually mean gaining experience and learning and doen't only have a time factor meaning as you seem to suggest.

CaiyrosArlenLeStrang wrote:M- It should be pointed out that this is Socratic disagreement - where all are held in highest regard - but can manage the realities of total disagreement.

Cheers,
Caiyros

:thumbup: Absolutely, wouldn't have it any other way. What would be the point of a debate otherwise?

I think the suggestion is censorship and even with the best intention, is no the best thing to do about demons topics, just a ternured label in certain forum, doesn't mean that you have really authentic experience in any journey, it's mean that you have enough free time to keep posting a lot to achieve such status in a paranormal forum...

Information is just that, and can the obtained in one way or other around Internet, so why keep it hidden from "new" members or guests, anyways there can go to many other site and get what they need and even with not the most accurate details.

Madie wrote:
I am all about learning and constructing and informative debates, I am just uncomfortable with the idea of over exposure to a certain age group.

Oh, and Lady Elisa, being around the Forum and reading and participating for a long time it does actually mean gaining experience and learning and doen't only have a time factor meaning as you seem to suggest.

I'll address the last sentence first- No, it really is all about time and posts. Just because someone is tenured doesn't mean they have learned or experienced anything. It means they have been here more than 3 months and have over 200 posts, applied for tenure, and are reasonably active. I'm not gonna try to start a fight here but there most certainly are people with tenure who are not what I would consider ready for demon keeping, and I do know a person who got tenure before they were 18 ( Scintillescent) so really you aren't stopping anything.

As far as your concern over age groups... I look at it this way. They can come here, where all viewpoints are represented fairly and there is evidence of good and bad both, regarding demon keeping... Or they can go elsewhere where a bunch of people the same age as them are bragging about how they sic'd their demon on their math teacher for giving them a pop quiz. We have had demon keepers from other forums come here and cause problems by being immature and bragging about cursing/hexing others. The difference is HERE they get scolded elsewhere that is embraced. We have also had problems with demon keeping forums attacking CH and their members and having these attacks supported (or at least not stopped) by the ownership and management of those forums- this was recent.

If they can't find what they want here they will go elsewhere to find it, and in my opinion there are VERY few places as balanced in representation of viewpoints as CH in regards to DA.

Were ebay still around this thread might've gotten more support, but ebay stopped selling meta, you can't go get a $10 demon from a nameless, faceless seller nobody knows about who wont stick around to be held accountable if something goes wrong. I can count on both hands the places I know that still sell demons, including some very small, niche sellers. None of these places are very affordable nor do they sell to minors.

I don't mean this to be offensive, but this reminds me of when people try to censor TV or something "for the children". It is the child's parents job to parent them, to watch what they do online, if their child is exposed to bad material that could harm them- be it pornography, online bullying, or demon info- that is not our responsibility... it's their parents'.

As many younger individuals who may find this forum and lurk without joining, I am sure there are just as many if not more people who're of age and use this info to better themselves and better their purchases. I kept spirits for.. lets see... 6 or 7 months before applying for membership. I had even bought from CH off of Ebay before joining. I used the seller review forum to double check every single purchase I made, which is why the first few posts of mine were all reviews- I had been using reviews from here and wanted to contribute my own experiences.

So, I am sure your concern will resonate with a few people.. but with all due respect, since nobody who sells demons even sells to people who're underage (at least, they'd have to lie to purchase it), this is just overzealous. Other spirits could cause harm to children too... succubi, incubi, any DA spirit, djinns, etc. They could just look up the goetia, available freely online, and perform a ritual to obtain some stupid childish goal like scoring with a hot cheerleader, and end up accidentally signing a blood pact with that demon. I guess what I am saying, is it's not our job to protect anyone, and without info freely available, they will just go to other, potentially less safe, venues to get what they want.

I agree with all Astral said above and also add that most demon sellers I know also want to talk first with the person and do write in site/listing they have the right to deny a purshase if they think the person isn't ready, I also know a conjurer that don't offer to the public but only to persons it know and believe to be ready to work with them. But like Astral said demon sellers now are harder to find and their price isn't for everyone most of time.

Beside just because someone is adult it doesn't mean they are have experience or are ready to demon keeper, also some adults aren't very mature either. They won't be are because they read many forum posts either. The forum can be use as a base so you know what more to research and learn from others experiences and share them, but in the end you need to have your own experiences to learn. No, I don't mean people should all go get a demon so they can learn with the experience. I think they should think hard about it and their path before bringing one home, just like they should to with all spirits and entitie they bring home.

You know I am going to have to take Madie's side on this. Again this is just my two cents. Just because you can have access to information doesn't mean you should. And what is wrong with self censoring? It keeps you from making mistakes and bad decisions.

Young people can read about it, but if some super cool awesome person on the board, come in and starts talking about their amazing demon experiences, only to have half the board telling them how awesome those experiences are, those inexperienced people are going to think that demons are so cool and so not THAT bad.

And of course being young, nothing bad will happen to them, then people like Mags and Ash have to come along and save their butts because they got in over their head, because super cool awesome person was able to do it so what can they.

And this board goes in cycles. When a popular member comes on with a really neat experiences with a different kind of spirit, then suddenly, every one else is having visions and wanting to experience that kind of spirit also. So this board can be a huge influence on others.

I don't think it is a bad thing to be responsible with information, I am not saying never give a young person information on demon keeping. Just keep it in the tenure for experience people to read about and maybe save a few from bad experences. But then you all will do what you want and all I am doing is just giving my two cents.

The one problem I see with this is the following: a 13 year old joins CH..six months later they are tenured..they still are 13, but now have access. I know you can learn a lot in six months, but you may still not be ready for the BA spirits. The above could apply to a 25 year old too. Just because you are a certain age doesn't mean you are mature enough for some things.