Ash, I'm loving this discussion. So glad you're around these days to educate us!
ash-mda wrote:HIS SITUATION WAS FAR MORE COMPLEX THAN JUST THE BACK & FORTH ON THE FORUM.
IT WAS NEVER DECIDED WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE "LEGIONS OF DEMONS" INVOLVED AT ALL. IT COULD HAVE BEEN ONE DEMON, OR NOT A DEMON AT ALL. I NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT BECAUSE THE MOMENT MAGNOLIA & I STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION WE WERE NEARLY LYNCHED FOR IT. PEOPLE ARE TOO QUICK TO JUMP ON THE DEMON WAGON WHEN THEY HEAR SOMEONE IS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS WRONG. WHICH IS RIDICULOUS BECAUSE WE AREN'T IN THE MIDDLE OF A CATHOLIC CHURCH WORLD TAKE-OVER ANYMORE. TALK ABOUT THE LONG-ARM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THEY SET OUT TO DEMONIZE HUNDREDS OF IMMORTALS, ENTITIES, & BEINGS FROM ANY RELIGION THAT WAS NOT CATHOLIC. IT'S AMAZING HOW THAT STIGMA CONTINUES TO BOMBARD & OPPRESS THE PARANORMAL COMMUNITY. EVERYONE WANTS TO JUST JUMP TO "DEMON" EVERY TIME. HENCE THE "THE ANSWER CANNOT ALWAYS BE DEMONS" THREAD AWHILE AGO.
Ah yes, I remember that! You went by protocol and the person in question flipped out and got angry.
WITH DEMON KEEPING IT'S NOT A MATTER OF BALANCE. IF YOU HAVE A BA DEMON IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DESTROYED. PERIOD. END OF STORY. NO ARGUMENTS. NO "BUT, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND...", OR "THINGS ARE DIFFERENT FOR ME...", OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF EXCUSE SOMEONE THINKS THEY CAN MAKE. IF YOU HAVE A BA DEMON IN YOUR HOME THEY ARE KEEPING YOU, YOU ARE NOT KEEPING THEM.
AS FOR DA DEMONS, I DON'T LIKE THAT TERMINOLOGY. IT'S MISLEADING. FOR THE REASONS YOU CAN READ IN TWO PARAGRAPHS UP. NO ONE THINKS OF A DEMON AS A HELPFUL ENTITY. NO ONE. STOP 5 RANDOM PEOPLE ON THE STREET & IF YOU CAN GET ONE PERSON TO ANSWER "YES" TO YOUR QUESTION "DO YOU THINK DEMONS CAN BE BENEFICIAL TO SOMEONE?" THEN YOU BETTER BUY A LOTTERY TICKET RIGHT AFTER, BECAUSE IT'S YOUR LUCKY DAY.
I totally get what you're saying. I can see "DA demon" being problematic. "BA demon" is very, very clear and frankly gives me the shivers.
I THINK IT'S BEEN LONG OVERDUE, AND I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR ONLINE PARANORMAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO CATCH UP WITH OFFLINE PARANORMAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS, IN REAL CLASSIFICATION OF "DEMON" LABELED ENTITIES WHO ARE DARK ARTS & NOT BLACK ARTS. BUT, IT SEEMS EVERYONE IS ALL TO HAPPY TO KEEP SAYING "DEMON".
Would it be more accurate to say "infernals?" than "demons?" Were we not to use the verbiage "demon", would that be just semantics? It may seem obsequious but it's not, because knowing WHAT the entity is affects my decision-making in keeping.
ARE THERE ENTITIES THAT ARE BEING CALLED DEMONS WHO ARE DEMON-LIKE WHO ARE DARK ARTS? ABSOLUTELY. WHAT ARE THEY REALLY? YOU HAVE TO GO TO EACH, INDIVIDUAL PERSON OFFERING THEM TO FIND OUT. THAT IS THE FRUSTRATION OF EVERYONE INVOLVED.
AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT EACH PRACTITIONER MAY CLASSIFY DARK ARTS & BLACK ARTS DIFFERENTLY. THEY MAY BE FAR MORE LENIENT IN THEIR CLASSIFICATION OF BLACK ARTS THAN WE ARE. AT CH WE CLASSIFY BLACK ARTS AS MAGICK & SPIRITS WHICH DISREGARD FREE WILL & INTENTIONALLY CAUSE HARM. TO SOME, THE DISREGARDING OF FREE WILL MAY NOT BE A BIG DEAL TO THEM, AND THEY MAY THINK THAT'S DARK ARTS. YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
The free will component speaks volumes to me. An infernal that exercises free will, an ability to discern between causing harm and not causing harm, can't be BA if we go by this definition.