Vampire Transformation & Sire Binding Experience Gone Bad

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Aprophis wrote: People make their own interpretations and then mix that up with magick or magickal currents and there suddenly might be a need for blood sacrifices in rituals.

Especially if you work with associative forces/powers/magick. Jesus bled and died for us, so to call on a certain force, you might at least have to bleed to. Who knows?

There are a few systems that have absorbed christianity, including Jesus, like Stregheria, Hoodoo or practices from Curanderos
Yes. One example that I remember is the Vattienti, not sure if it's related to Stregheria or not. There are other bloody celebrations in Mexico and Philippine as well.


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This may be the case for you personally (which is sad in itself) but to slap such a statement here like it should be seen as "fact" for everyone, is ridiculous.
We all will see at the end (when we are dead) what is fact but i know that god never hurt me, put me down emotionally or drained me or made me feel worthless like Lilith and her demons did and still try to do.
Lucky for me, I don't need to wait for death in order to know who and what Lilith is.
Believe what you want, fact is god will never harm you. Lilith and others do.
Who are the "others" you keep referring to?
Btw. you can't "work" with angels, they are sent by god and can't be called for directly. If that happens then you got probably a demon in disguise.
Yes, people CAN and DO work with angels.


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seirus86 wrote: Believe what you want, fact is god will never harm you.
True, he has his Soldiers to do that for him.
seirus86 wrote: We all will see at the end (when we are dead) what is fact but i know that god never hurt me, put me down emotionally or drained me or made me feel worthless like Lilith and her demons did and still try to do.
Do you really know it was Lilith or one of 'her' demons? Who told you that? Was that your own conclusion?

I mean there are posts where you talk about having troubles with an unbound Djinn, where you talk about working with Beelzebub, Belial and Succubi (who are demons too, basically) so I'm not sure what is what.


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seirus86 wrote: ... fact is god will never harm you.
Well, speaking of "the fact", there are records in scriptures that God harmed human, be it in the Abrahamic lineage or others. Thus, never say never : )
seirus86 wrote:... Lilith and others do.
Yes, she can. She is a dark immortal after all : )
And as ChaosD asked, what did you mean by "others"?

Thus, the next questions would be:
"Why did you contact Lilith?"
"Using what method did you contact her?"

The first question is important since she is a dark feminine, not to be faced lightly. This means she can be very fierce and scary (imagine Kali, another dark feminine, eating Shiva, the god of destruction). She's certainly not for those who are merely attracted by sexual prospect. Even the original poster acknowledge this, despite the negative experience he received.

The second is important since one must be prepared when calling/invoking dark immortals. There might even be tests that need to be faced. And there's always a chance that the one answering is not the one you're looking for, as Apro mentioned.


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Also, why do you believe Lilith is still targeting you? You must be very special, for her to dislike you so much...

I'm curious, what is your story? How did you come in to contact with Lilith, what did you do, what did you not do? ...

Darkwing is right, Lilith is not for those who are purely seeking her out for sexual purposes.


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Aprophis wrote: There are a few systems that have absorbed christianity, including Jesus, like Stregheria, Hoodoo or practices from Curanderos
Yes, you are right, I think those are called sects or cults, no? Or even shamanism and simply called witchcraft. They are not the same with christianity, just because they lend some things or elements. No?


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Jimy wrote: Yes, you are right, I think those are called sects or cults, no? They are not christianity, just because they lend some things.
Indeed, they did integrate Christianity. But he didn't talk about who he got that ritual from, so we can't know for sure what practices those are.

Also the catholic church has some splinter groups, that could be counted as sects, like the Opus Sanctorum Angelorum and a few others.


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Jimy wrote: Yes, you are right, I think those are called sects or cults, no? Or even shamanism and simply called witchcraft. They are not the same with christianity, just because they lend some things or elements. No?
One more example of bloody ritual that is not related to sects/cults or shamanism/witchcraft, would be the corporal mortification, including self-flagellation, as also practiced by the late Pope John Paul II. Lately it is ruled to be done in moderation, though : )
And there are Mark 9:42-48, which if read literally can be very harsh.


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darkwing wrote:... bloody ritual ... corporal mortification ...
Lol. A bloodY "ritual", not a blood ritual :D Funny ;)


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Jimy wrote: Lol. A bloodY "ritual", not a blood ritual :D Funny ;)
Heheh, a simple adjustment to cover both your and seirus' posts : P

If you check the self-flagellation, one tradition states that it is to be done until the practitioners "draw blood", although, the definitions of "until" and "draw blood" can vary. And "blood ritual" can mean "any ritual that involves the intentional release of blood."

And "ritual", it can mean "a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order." Therefore, activities such as this corporal mortification, religious fasting etc. can be also included in the scope of "ritual", not only exclusive to the like of LBRP etc.

Et voila : )


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