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Re: Ninja hand gestures sharpen the mind and reduce stress

Postby Dreamerunknown » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:04 am

darkwing dook wrote:What's the connection between mudra and kurdaitcha?


He meant that if you’re from foreign culture it is likely that the technique will not have the full effects as if you are a native using it, the next level would be a native using it who also received training in the system. A good example would be when Kurdaitcha was not having effects on "foreign people".
Kuji Kiri was likely influenced by mainland Buddhist & certainly by Japanese specific spiritual/religious systems. I then asked him about other purposes for the Kuji Kiri, he said that when he talked to his master (master to older master ^^) he got told that it was for one part a fast & effective sign language for nonverbal communication in times of danger. For the other part, yes it had meditative qualities, however it was more than that. Back in the days it was a method to “program” the subconscious, a bit similar to self-hypnosis. So certain physiological alteration could be induced like stop bleeding extremities for example. Psychological alteration were also part of the curriculum, people could induce things necessary for survival in the mission, such as a heightened sense of hearing, sight, smell, touch or picking up on the “strong will to harm” emanating from opponents etc.



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Re: Ninja hand gestures sharpen the mind and reduce stress

Postby darkwing dook » Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:27 pm

Dreamerunknown wrote:He meant that if you’re from foreign culture it is likely that the technique will not have the full effects as if you are a native using it, the next level would be a native using it who also received training in the system. A good example would be when Kurdaitcha was not having effects on "foreign people".
Kuji Kiri was likely influenced by mainland Buddhist & certainly by Japanese specific spiritual/religious systems. I then asked him about other purposes for the Kuji Kiri, he said that when he talked to his master (master to older master ^^) he got told that it was for one part a fast & effective sign language for nonverbal communication in times of danger. For the other part, yes it had meditative qualities, however it was more than that. Back in the days it was a method to “program” the subconscious, a bit similar to self-hypnosis. So certain physiological alteration could be induced like stop bleeding extremities for example. Psychological alteration were also part of the curriculum, people could induce things necessary for survival in the mission, such as a heightened sense of hearing, sight, smell, touch or picking up on the “strong will to harm” emanating from opponents etc.

Oo ok : )

Disagree with the foreign culture vs native effectiveness, but agree with the need for knowledge and training. The practice of mudra itself is popular in Hinduism, Buddhism, Daoism, etc. If foreigners and/or foreign cultures can't effectively use it, then its usage would not spread across different countries and various cultures as it is today.

But learning the cultures and systems that use the mudra is important in order to use it. Whether natives or foreigners, if they don't understand and aren't trained to do it, then most likely they won't be able to use it. Another problem is when the mudra gesture has different meanings, for example the vitarka/jnana mudra:
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commonly known as "ok" sign, has various meaning across cultures and lately has been tied to negative connotation. If one is biased toward specific meaning of the gesture, then very likely he/she will have that meaning working for him/her.

If the Bujinkan teacher is a foreigner and believed that only native Japanese can effectively use the kuji-in and kuji-kiri, then he won't be able to use them : )

The example of failed kurdaitcha on prime minister could be affected by many things outside the native vs foreign, i.e.:
-the curse was not done properly, thus failed to take effect.
-the native Australians didn't have the necessary ability to do the curse, thus the curse failed to take effect..
-the curse was effective, but the prime minister had protective measures.
-the curse was effective, but someone broke the curse and heal the prime minister.
-etc


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Re: Ninja hand gestures sharpen the mind and reduce stress

Postby Dreamerunknown » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:43 pm

darkwing dook wrote:
If the Bujinkan teacher is a foreigner and believed that only native Japanese can effectively use the kuji-in and kuji-kiri, then he won't be able to use them : )


Yeah sure, that's a possibility. Maybe the grand master didn't trust his western disciple or thought that teaching the original system might lead to undesirable outcomes. Thrust and believe are factors not to be underestimated.




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