Huffette wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:57 pm Just to clarify things, after conversing with my arc angel mentors, I respectfully disagree with you.

Michael says this is not so. He says Islam began when Azaziel prostrated himself as Gabriel and handed Muhamed the scrolls. Muhamed questioned whether he should take them, and was told to spread the word among his people so that they might turn from idolatry and worship the holy Allah.

Please clarify, and I ask you, would you argue with the words of one of the highest of the arc angels? I would not.

Syrah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:08 pm Shiite Muslims believe Gabriel made a mistake and went to Mohammed instead of Ali.

While writing these words, I recollect that the Egyptian government during the fifties sent the late Dr. Muhammad Bisar to Washington, D.C., as director of the Islamic Center there. I went to visit him and he received me kindly and informed me of the knowledge that he had acquired concerning
American Muslims. He initiated a dialogue between us, saying:

"Some of the Muslims in this country asked me about the various Islamic sects. I declared to them that all Muslim sects are good except the Shiite Ithnashari."

I immediately realized that R. Bisar did not know the meaning of Shiite Ithnashari. Otherwise, he would not have been rude enough to say that to me while I am a Shiite Ithnashari (meaning The Twelvers). Thus, we had the following dialogue:

Chirri: What is wrong with the Ithnashari?

Bisar: They believe in things opposed to Islam.

Chirri: Give us an example of their wrong belief.

Bisar: They say the revelation came to Muhammad by mistake, and that ‘Ali Ibn Abu Talib was supposed to receive the revelation.

Chirri: How did you learn that?

Bisar: I read it in the book of al-milal and al-nihal by al-Shahristani.

Chirri: Have you asked any Shiite scholar about this subject?

Bisar: No, I have not.

Chirri: Then you have convicted millions of Muslims and considered them "kafir”without asking any of them about this serious accusation. Did the Almighty command you to do that? And did Egypt send you to propagate such (an unjust) message?

A year after our meeting in Washington, I met Dr. Bisar in Philadelphia at an Islamic conference. He informed me that he re-examined the book of al- milal and al-nihal by al-Shihristani and found that what was attributed to Shiites, that the revelation came to Muhammad by mistake, was not the belief of the Ithnashari Shiite school of thought. It was rather, a sect which existed and disappeared hundreds of years ago. Hearing that from him, I accepted his apology. Yet, I was amazed that it took him a whole year to re-read the book and discover the truth.

darkwing dook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:11 pm
That's from a wrong interpretation of some Shia book:

Syrah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:16 pm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya
If you read this you’ll understand how Shiite hide a lot of things and don’t confess officially to many beliefs.

But Islamophobes take taqiyya as evidence of some kind of Third World duplicity; “their” morality is inferior to ours—we can trust white people, (certain kinds of) Christians, real Americans, etc., but we can’t trust those with brown skin or funny names. The same logic was once applied to women, who were believed to be incapable of the moral and intellectual rigor (some kinds and colors of) men were. So, for the Islamophobe, taqiyya is a means by which Muslims lie to advance their agenda (say, for example, that Obama lies about his faith—he’s a secret Muslim, but isn’t telling anyone.) This is an old racist cliche, now pinned to the chests of a religious group.

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