Let me bring some clarity to this, when you use black magic for love, or any situation at all, this doesn't mean it is fake because free will is forced as I read some people here saying
that. First of all your free will is being affected by external things daily whether you realize it or not. Let me ask you this? When you are driving to go shopping and a car cuts you off and you change lanes or hit the breaks, your free will was affected, does that mean it is fake, you lived.

Also, using black magic for love is not forcing the other person. All forms of magic influence the energy around a person, internally and external. The idea is to influence the person to act on their own, so it is their own decision and they don't know why, or even realize what's happening. Black magic is powerful and gets the job done faster, only if...

I will repeat this, ONLY IF it is done by an adept magician, the point I'm at to you is, you are the operator, your spiritual strength matters, whether you're doing white or black magic.

So the better question to ask yourself, would be: How can I improve my magical abilities?
This is something we all work towards, I'm a master black magician, and I still ask spirits to help me evolve to the next level spiritually in my magickal practices, there's no ceiling to being more powerful.

One word on any black magic: Don't. Stay far away. You may think or feel like you are in control but you're not. It always comes back on you, always. And the consequences can be dire. Once you start down that path, even starting with something seemly small and simple, it changes you. You start wanting more and more, craving more control and more power. It consumes you. Until everything spirals so out of control, but you don't realize it. Not until it's too late. Nothing is free, black magic least of all. It won't just destroy you but everyone around you. I have seen someone a cared for go down that path, and I barely even recognize the person they have become. And it started with a situation similar to yours

This is an old thread and I hope that the OP didn’t use black magick to getting someone to love them or to get someone back - as that is the same as forcing a relationship which is not a good thing.

Personal I don’t differentiate black vs white magick. For me, the intention behind the spell is more important. I have done a “black magick” spell before. I didn’t cast it, I have an experienced practitioner did it for me. It was a “black magick” spell for astral travel and open the third eye. In this case is it really “black magick”? Who knows. All I know is $150 and two months later I still haven’t astral travel

Eternal Manifestation wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:31 am Let me bring some clarity to this, when you use black magic for love, or any situation at all, this doesn't mean it is fake because free will is forced as I read some people here saying
that. First of all your free will is being affected by external things daily whether you realize it or not. Let me ask you this? When you are driving to go shopping and a car cuts you off and you change lanes or hit the breaks, your free will was affected, does that mean it is fake, you lived.

Also, using black magic for love is not forcing the other person. All forms of magic influence the energy around a person, internally and external. The idea is to influence the person to act on their own, so it is their own decision and they don't know why, or even realize what's happening.

In your definition and practice it may not be a forceful situation or very extreme at all to use black magic. It depends on one's interpretation of black magic, but also worldview. On this forum it's most common to see 'black magic' used to term what may otherwise be considered malefica - controlling, dominating, a situation that serves selfishly and/or is actively causing harm. Of course there are practices of malefica that could be justifiable to the practitioner depending on their personal ethics, but the underlying debate when it comes to applying that to love is one of sound judgment -- that actual 'love' may not exist at all in the situation if you have to use magic to suggest someone into it - on one side, the other, or both.

True that all things manipulate all things, all magic is a manipulation of what already is to some degree. Not 'forcing', just manipulating internal and external circumstances to make someone more pliable to the suggestion of loving you. But this isn't manipulating circumstances that are available to just about anyone with the skill; when people come into these communities asking about black magic for love it's almost always aimed at a specific person rather than open to the cosmos bringing you a match. It's claiming one person in roughly 8 billion for yourself even if they don't want anything to do with you, or are no good for you. It's commonly based on poor judgment. Not so different from deciding one wants to steal a life or identity. You are taking someone else's life into your hands. When influence is cast upon people toward an inconsequential or mutually desired outcome in love, it may also imply one doesn't need an act of malefica to cause the outcome. An act of love magic can become malefic when the outcome is directly consequential in selfishness or mutually undesirable (delusion, desperation, ignorance are factors.)

Could the love that spawns be 'real', sure it can, but you're responsible.
If someone doesn't want to be with you, and you manipulate them into being with you using magic, even if that suggests there is a kernel of potentiality that they could summon feelings of love for you and this is what is being tapped into - it is still a different outcome than they were actively choosing prior, therefore forcing a scenario to happen. People force people into situations all of the time in this way, the mind can be incredibly susceptible to suggestion - Stockholm syndrome is a thing, attachment by forced proximity or intrusive thought patterns, the brain is scary in all that it is capable of 'making' very real. Many people have felt love for someone and still look back with gratitude that the situation came to an end - a lot of abusive scenarios are like this. The situation is real - but it doesn't mean it would have been entered into willingly.
Relationships, like death and birth, are contractual scenarios - they hold certain implications by the nature of what they are, they obligate certain augmentations outside of just the act of relating, or dying, or being born. Love is particularly fickle.. it doesn't necessarily benefit you just by being in it, it can free or trap you and hurts a little no matter what. It's a serious commitment to truly love somebody, it changes your entire life for better or worse. It sounds like I'm philosophizing here but anyone capable of love for another creature knows this is true.

Not to mention, people far too easily mix up love, obsession, infatuation, lust - they don't realize their own feelings for what they are, or what they are asking for.. until it's too late.

Brainwashing someone into believing or feeling or experiencing something, is likely to have consequences. Thinking you want something out of the pain or fear of not having it is likely to have consequences.
An adept could do it easily, I suppose an adept could do a lot of foolish things if they felt like it and whether or not they 'should' at that point is a matter of principle.

I doubt people who want to make a specific person love them so badly are capable of reasoning in the thick of that desire, so perhaps none of this makes a difference anyway.

Do not recommend at all.
I can't help but think of the practitioner I ended up doing the group love spell through back then, lots of arrogance coming from that one.
All I can say is I've written before on here years ago about what I did and I paid some pretty extreme consequences, even when what I did ended up "pulling through." I don't believe anyone of any skill level is "immune" honestly, to what the Universe is going to think. You can still piss off the Universe. I made the person's mind into a brain smoothie without hindsight and foresight, and that person acted unnaturally. I don't see how that is not manipulation, and not affecting free will. I'm not a fan of mind rape through magick. And to this day that person has no effing idea what he was saying or thinking during that time. In the end I figured out that I would not have been happy anyway. I was for that one day I noticed "the difference." But it just isn't the same as mutual reciprocity and sincere, naturally grown feelings developed without any kind of magical influence. I know from personal experience how both these things feel like and I would choose organic connection any day.

As an elder Romanian witch has told me, that I will keep quoting on... It will tie a knot - but that knot will come undone. No matter what. You just can't do that to someone's soul and expect nothing to happen and to have all the benefits when they're not even reflecting back what and who they are, before that kind of work is done on them especially if that person was absent of true feelings of love in the first place.

NO free will = NO bueno. What goes around comes around. Just remember that.

Eternal Manifestation wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:31 am Let me bring some clarity to this, when you use black magic for love, or any situation at all, this doesn't mean it is fake because free will is forced as I read some people here saying
that. First of all your free will is being affected by external things daily whether you realize it or not. Let me ask you this? When you are driving to go shopping and a car cuts you off and you change lanes or hit the breaks, your free will was affected, does that mean it is fake, you lived.

Also, using black magic for love is not forcing the other person. All forms of magic influence the energy around a person, internally and external. The idea is to influence the person to act on their own, so it is their own decision and they don't know why, or even realize what's happening. Black magic is powerful and gets the job done faster, only if...

I will repeat this, ONLY IF it is done by an adept magician, the point I'm at to you is, you are the operator, your spiritual strength matters, whether you're doing white or black magic.

So the better question to ask yourself, would be: How can I improve my magical abilities?
This is something we all work towards, I'm a master black magician, and I still ask spirits to help me evolve to the next level spiritually in my magickal practices, there's no ceiling to being more powerful.

Found this on accident, agree with your perspective. Many spells affect “free will”, and aren’t defined as such, and sometimes people have fear blockages, or are sabotaging themselves.
How would you recommend going about the left hand path? It’s interested me since I was 14 or younger, and I’ve never felt so drawn to anything else.

@Mars08
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Those who want to pursue a Left Hand Path must start by thinking for themselves. It's about independence and personal evolution through obtainment of knowledge.

Read books that interest you and pertain to what you're trying to learn, don't take them as authority but as a sampler of thought toward forming your own ideas.