madgar29 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:36 pm ooooo, thank you. what about the MHP? if you tell me its in the link i swear to god.... lol j/k!!!!!!!!
[...] i hope im making some sense?

I find I often respond to jokes by answering literally - so I nearly commented on the middle path idea...

I think I misspoke when I said:

Lewk wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 11:30 pm [...](Buddhist use of similar terms has always been a different matter.)

As the Wikipedia article says, in recent decades some prominent occultists have embraced the concept of LHP/RHP somewhat as (some?) old Tantra schools (which I think from memory includes Tibetan Buddhist tantra) did. But, as far as I can tell from google searching for contemporary articles, definitions of white / black tantra vary nowadays too. (One talks about red & dark tantra as well as b/w.)

I'm tempted to say that the terms and labels are virtually meaningless. They mean to each person or group what that person or group understands them to mean. They're not set in stone.

I think what meaning underlines a term, as used, is the key thing. I could say I'm rebellious, reject much of orthodoxy; I'm walking my own path - but I'm not interested in causing harm, being malicious etc. Doesn't matter what this is called. But we seem to find it useful to use labels. And then people misunderstand each other and talk at cross purposes because they're using differing definitions.

So labels can be useful if we understand each other but no help at all if we don't.

Personally, I'm label-adverse. ["I'm not a number I'm a free man"]

@Lewk

Oh I think we all know you were gonna say something about a middle finger.... atleast thats what im guessing its okay. -

I dont understand Buddhism I was always taught of it as an ideology rather than a religion but they have deities so. I confess my ignorance on that subject. The way I view buddhism may be a educational western take on it. Where a man tries to seek enlgihtenement in every way possible. by teaching this I guess its to say there is no "correct way". its each their own path. - If i am repeating what i said earilier im sorry.... its way past my bed time.