bryan wrote:

Ellegria* wrote:

bryan wrote:I know you guys are trying to help and I thank you. I do not discount what happened. I had used a Spirit transfer spell to transfer them to temporary vessels and with a strong intent and magick intended for their release.

But you do not know how they were bound to begin with by the conjurer. I know there are rituals that one can perform to release a spirit that is bound but I don't know what those are and if they are even effective on all bound spirits.

Can you see/hear/sense your spirits yourself? If so, I would behoove you to "look around" and see if they are still there. You might want to give some time as Khodams are notorious for not being easily bonded with in the first place. They may have temporarily left to their own realm. But that doesn't mean they are gone for good.

If I were you, I would first try to ascertain WHERE they are and from there, try to discern FOR YOURSELF what actually happened. Taking to the time to do this on your own with no quick fixes via others who are "mediums" or psychics.

I can sense my own spirits yes and they are gone. However they do come up to check on me every now and again.

Okay, I am officially withdrawing from this thread because I have a headache now and don't want to lose my cool.

I still dont know if YOU saw the shackels or if someone else did. If it was someone else....my advise and most of the people in this thread is to take it with a grain of salt.

If YOU saw them....then please go back to one of my earlier posts and try to ascertain what that may mean...without the intervention of Huffette, as I assume that is the friend who are speaking about.

I have had plenty of odd visions and images presented to me while meditating with my spirits. If it is something out of the norm or odd...my first stance is to try and figure out what it is they are trying to tell me. 9 times out of 10...it is a message when I dig deeply. If it is truly odd or whatever, I KNOW it is my Negative Ego sticking its big ugly nose in where it doesn't belong. And I tell it to go somewhere else because it's input is not needed or welcomed at this time.

It might do you some good to look into working with Negative Ego and see where that may lead and if anything is cleared up because as I said earlier...if you don't put it in its place...it WILL try and trick you. That is why it is called a NEGATIVE Ego...and we all have one so don't take what I am saying personally.

Your story keeps changing. The nuances and shades keep shifting to one thing and then the next. It appears to me that you truly want to believe that your Khodams were tricked and bound against their will and that you released them. And now they are coming back to visit...okay fine.

I can't keep going round in circles with someone who doesn't want to learn and possibly grow from a situation. I wish you well. Good luck to you. And I hope you find a way to resolve the situation to your satisfaction.

is your medium familiar with muslim or indonesian traditions and entities?

Our spirits all leave quite often to visit their own realm.
Releasing a can be quite complicated. With some you have to know exactly how they were bound in order to unbind them.
Since you can communicate with them, why don't you try calling them. They should answer.

You need time to digest everything. Relax and take time the time you need.

Thanks for sharing your story, Untaimed. It's very sad to hear, but I'm so glad you got to the bottom of it without further damage.

I just wanted to post my opinion on whether spirits can be forcibly bound. Speaking of living entities, occult history says that they can, and they are, and this is a frequent practice by those with a level of mastery. This was done by King Solomon when he bound 72 entities into a vessel - you can bet they did not want to be mastered and dominated and bound. Binding such living entities is a way to control them. I don't know that much about old traditions of binding djinn, but the stories would seem to suggest that those traditions area also about binding djinn in order to master them. And that's why you get old folklore about angry and evil genies, manipulating wishes and so on. There is truth to those stories. Some traditions are very much about mastering dark and powerful entities. Binding them is one such way to do this.

But if the question is only about spirits, then my answer wouldn't apply.

I think know who you are talking about Untaimed. Don't worry Magnolia took care of it. :superman:

In order for Bryan's psychic to read a Khodam she needs to be familiar with the spirit type and where it comes from. I had a really good psychic who could probably tell me what the color of my underwear was, doesn't mean she told me the correct information when she called my Khodam a demon. She was probably picking on my first djinn who was mislabelled as female. But I was eager to believe something. She wasn't trying to lie to me, she was unfamiliar with all spirit type. Imagine how many psychics who can't even fathom a vampire being real.

adelphia, a few good points but i think magnolia stressed the point already that the only practitioners that would force spirits or living entities to be bound are ba practitioners. even then it behooves no practitioner at the level of mastery it takes at that point (a master level with decades behind them) to force any spirit or living entity to be bound - this is a case where acting with respect on the part of a practitioner towards spirit wins over shear brawn or stupidity of another looking only out for themselves and their needs, desires or wants. not sure this is what happened here but rather a miscommunication all around it seems. :grouphug:

I just want to say, I learn so much from your posts, crone!

thanks sweetie, i'm going to try to help you new members a lot more if i can so if any of you have questions post them here as threads and i'll try to get to each to help you all along on your journey.

crone maatkaere wrote:thanks sweetie, i'm going to try to help you new members a lot more if i can so if any of you have questions post them here as threads and i'll try to get to each to help you all along on your journey.

:dancing: :hail:: :superman: Yay! Crone is back!!!