Great Comments ALL - here is my take...creepyhollows wrote:That's the point though. What if there was no school, no one to teach you, could you figure out how to build a computer if no one showed you how to do it? If you were just set in the middle of Silicone Valley would you have figured out how to use it? Would your brain naturally think how to build a circuit board?If I went to school for computers, I could put one together, if I went to school for rockets, I could put one together. I can do art. I can write poems. I can program. I can lead. I can follow. I dont consider myself genius. I'm just human with a can do attitude. I can do a lot of things normal people can't do, even psychically heal someone. Which I never thought I could do. I know I'm not that special. But I do have a lot of quiet time in my brain and stay away from people who tell me I can't. Yes. I learned some things off others. While others I learned on my own. That information is already accessible in our brains. Just believe.
You can go to school for anything, but you'd have to be taught by someone who already figured it out. Could you figure it out without any school at all?
That's the point. Think about it. What would you know, what would you naturally figure out on your own if no one was around to tell you? Someone, somewhere in the beginning of time figured out sleeping under a blanket trapped body heat & kept you warm. They didn't go to school to learn how to sew. Their brain evolved when they figured out how to make a hide a blanket.
Don't think about it in the terms if someone taught you, or you read a book. You have to go all the way back to square one and think about what you would know if you were dropped in the middle of a deserted island with absolutely nothing learned, your brain was a complete blank slate, what would you know how to do and how far could you get? No schools, no books, no one to teach you. How far would you evolve?
It's not a question of whether or not people want to believe in themselves, anyone can if they WANTED to. It's a question of the brains, whether they are rich or poor, young or old, a natural genius or idiot savant, and EVERYTHING in between! It's the minds who think, invent, improve, question, build, etc. They are the ones evolving. Not the ones on the sidelines moving along with those evolving.
You can dissect this down to as simple as you touch a hot pan, you burn your hand, you decide not to touch the hot pan again... that's evolution. So is developing an HD satellite. And, again, everything in between.
Schools, books, great teachers, and so on OBVIOUSLY are wonderful and speed up evolution and generally make things faster while calmer (than otherwise), and better in most ways no arguement.
But one of my interests, since I was 5 years old has been the Paleolithic, Mesolithic, & Neolithic Periods of Human Prehistory....It started with finding some flint tools in the New Jersey Pine Barrens...and then my grandfather giving me a beautiful flint axe (Neolithic) from the area around Salisbury Plain (my grandfather was born in London)....and then onwards from there...
So, in the last few years, some contacts of mine who are actively excavating a number of sites....came up with some tools that they gave me....2 sites...SOurce of the Proto-Thames 1.1 million BC (flint: a bird's head, an axe, several micro-knives or scrapers - hard to tell - could be both together) and a cave in southwestern France from about the same time (2 axes).
There was something about them...kept playing with them, touching them, and so on.....then I started getting vibes, and fleeting visions, unclear, activity, nighttime mostly...in each case one person in "in the crowd" a leader? priest? doesn't feel right...respected yes....Then one night I was holding the Proto-Thames axe in ,my left hand and one of the 2 SW France axes in the right hand....weird vibes, back and forth, back and forth...Finally went to bed...Next day is Saturday...slept late....11:30 AM...hungry want lunch...cook up 2 rice, tomato, balck been, and cheese burritos with a little yellow mustard and some black coffee...Eating looking at the 2 stone tools,, putting down my fork..touching the tool. Putting down the tool, taking the fork and eating more of the burritos...back and forth...and rhythm...a sense of things.....back and forth...the sunlight diminishes through the window...must be a cloud....still eating and touching...eating and touching...
Then Bang I got it...The Proto-Thames tools were all made at the same time. The guy who made them discovered fire-making....through the "Hundred Monkey Syndrome" the woman in SW France picked up the method and used very shortly after. Basically fire usage was discovered on the planet first in SE England and SW France in 1.1 million BC. I get the feeling that it was fall.
I will never be able to prove I'm right, but I most certainly am. Convincement will have to do...there will never be any other proof...burned wood does not last in a wet febril climate for over a million years....That's just the way it is.
As soon as I began to relax with the idea, I realized I was attached to this Dual Portal or Conceptually Wide Portal. These 2 Homo Habilis people talk through a form of telephathy while making tune-like vocalizations.
So to return to the main topic. LEarning Itself takes infinite forms and travels back and forth in time,
so, I think, that evolution is assured, of course, with Thomas Huxley's "Survival of the fittest", but overriding that and yet a part of it is Education Itself being an entity that cannot be destroyed similiar to but not identical with the "Genius" spirit of the Romans. And the Spirit of Educating is a Time Traveler, An Entity of Consciousness, and a "Filler of Action-Voids", and a "Calmer of Over-Actions".
I thinj Austin Osmon Spare might agree,
Cheers,
Caiyros