Well, I can throw a wrench in your argument: As I stated earlier, I've used islamic chants and incantations lifted right out of the Koran knowing next to nothing about Islam or the verses to excise darker forces, including demons... playing a youtube recording of the Surah Al Baqurah in arabic, not knowing a word of arabic, still works in driving out the darkness from a dwelling and excising darker forces... so where is the power coming from? You may argue that the chanter of the verses may be driving "the magick" but as the conduit and the person "using" the verses to release the "magick", it wouldn't work since I don't know jack about Islam AND I don't even believe in the Islamic interpretation of God aka Allah and the exclusivity attached to those of muslim faith who have supposed access to this higher power while the rest of us don't.Falicea272 wrote:Thanks for the link, however these examples only serve to prove the point I made: It is the inherent belief of the caster/conjurer/seeker that lends power to words. I bet I can take a Harry Potter novel and if I believe in the words in there I can make them work for me. The 6th and 7th Book of Moses is Pseudo-apocryphal; it was not written by Moses and the rituals contained in there are based on Jewish folk magic. They work because the person believes in them. I have used the above with no success at all which is why I came up with the conclusion above. If the words had inherent magic in and of themselves, how come they do not work for everyone all the time?Adelphia wrote:No edit button. Here are a few books on the use of bible in magickal traditions:
Qabbalistic Magic: Talismans, Psalms, Amulets, and the Practice of High Ritual
http://www.amazon.com/Qabbalistic-Magic ... 1594773580
and
BIBLE SPELLS: Obtain Your Every Desire By Activating The Secret Meaning of Hundreds of Biblical Verses
http://www.amazon.com/BIBLE-SPELLS-Acti ... ble+spells
and of course, the 6th and 7th Books of Moses.
What objectivity is there when you clearly demonstrate a bias for "Abrahamic religions"? Scientific methodology calls for elimination of bias. Your faith in a higher force, whether that exists or not, your choice of path... these are all variables that can be controlled in your "experiment." So this wasn't exactly an exercise in objectivity.Not because the words or rituals are flawed but because I went into the ritual using the Scientific method to demonstrate the inherent power of lack thereof of the ritual or word themselves when exercised with objectivity.
Again, I know of several others that have used different psalms and other religious texts to excise demons... there was no basis for belief, moreso desperation, an "anything at this point" attitude...Because your ancestors were of Jewish descent if I remember correctly, these rtual and words have power for you because your belief in them is absolute and therefor you or someone with the same believes can use the Books of Moses succesfully all the time whereas other who do not share the same believes cannot.
My final point is: psalms, religious texts, etc are all imbued with the power of that which cannot be defined by any of us. Demons are low on the totem pole... they don't stand a chance.
(At the end of the day, your beliefs are understandable given your allegiance with those things, and I'm not here to change your mind... I'm actually quite enjoying this debate :dancing:)