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Anteros wrote:I just had a look for you and there are 2 on Bonanza now.
They are listed as dark faeries!
When I had the Sluagh they came from a different practitioner though.
Here is a bit of the description from the seller:
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"A Female Sluagh Dark Fairy Spirit will be conjured and bound to your Spirit body. Sluaghs are extremely powerful supernatural beings. Superhuman doesn’t come close to describing the benefits. The longer the master continues their bond with their Sluagh, the greater the connection and the level of strength. The Master will constantly and infinitely become stronger and more capable. The Sluagh are masters of dark magick, so the will also share their great powers and superhuman abilities with you in exchange for your personal spirit energy. Sluagh have the ability of Fairy glamor. Fairy glamor is the ability to alter the perceptions in a human being. They can make us see, feel, touch, taste, or experience, anything they like. They can use their power to walk amongst us invisibly, by altering our perception so that we don't notice them. This doesn't mean that they are actually 'invisible', it just means that we don't perceive them. Remember looking for something, like a set of keys, only to discover they were right in front of your face the entire time? This is how fairy glamor works, by altering our perceptions. Fairies could be walking around in broad daylight, it's just that we can't perceive them because of their power. Fairy glamor is also used to make things appear more attractive or desirable than they originally are, hence the modern meaning of the word, 'glamorous'. For example, a fairy might trick a person into believing a sack of hay is a sack of gold, or that poisonous toadstools were a scrumptious feast. Fairies also use their powers to make us get lost in the woods, by confusing our sense of direction, and in extreme situations, causing us to walk off cliffs or sink and drown in swamps. Sluagh have the ability to become invisible and are great ShapeShifters. They also have the ability of Flight. Some Sluagh will communicate with their human companions through various thought forms. They may speak to you in the form of dreams, give you visions, give you strong feelings, or give you intuition. Some people may actually hear whispers or find themselves knowing things without knowing how they know them. As you grow more comfortable with the various communication methods, so will they. Some people may get to see their Sluagh in human form. But this is a rare occurrence and should not automatically be expected. Most likely, you will see them in dreams, as misty manifestations, orbs, streaks of light, or even haze. Remember, they are invisible to humans and will only make themselves known when they are ready, but for some, this time is never. You will however, have tangible evidence that they are present. A Sluagh's presence does not often go unnoticed and one can sense when they are around. How your wishes come true, depends on the circumstances. You may feel compelled to purchase a certain lottery ticket from a certain place at a certain time. You may meet your soul mate in the oddest situation. You might feel an overwhelming feeling to stop at a casino. You might find a $100 bill blowing in the wind or lying on the street. You might yourself being more creative with business ideas. You may even win a car in a drawing. There are so many ways a Sluagh can manifest your dreams and desires making them into a reality. Having a Sluagh is not a novelty. They enjoy companionship and conversation. Although not human, they deserve respect. Treat them well and you shall reap the rewards."

And a bit of a description of what some people believe or used to believe:
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"The Sluagh are malevolent Fairy Spirits in Irish and Scottish folklore. They are a horde of evil spirits who are after the souls of people on their deathbeds. Sometimes they were seen as sinners, or generally evil people who were welcome in neither heaven nor hell, nor in the Pagan Otherworld, who had also been rejected by the Pagan deities and the earth itself. Whichever the underlying belief, they are almost always depicted as troublesome and destructive. They were seen to fly in groups like flocks of birds, coming from the west, and were known to try to enter the house of a dying person in an effort to carry the soul away with them. Westfacing windows were sometimes kept closed to keep them out. Some consider the Sluagh to also carry with them the souls of innocent people who were kidnapped by these destructive spirits. They are considered similar to Vampires. The Sluagh swarm together like birds or insects and are most active at night, especially around midnight. The Sluagh are blamed for a whole list of assorted evils, from the death of cattle and livestock to the kidnapping of humans. Among their favorite activities include picking up human beings, flying them through the air, and dropping them off in distant locations, kidnapping people and recruiting the souls of people on their death bed."
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I don't have any experience of this seller.
Thank you for the info. :)



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Re: Does CH ever make exceptions?

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Charles_Odinforce wrote:Not to chime in unrequested but....

As a fellow practitioner there is a big difference between Evocation of a being for a single task and binding a being for companionship. I totally recognize and support Ash's decision on this. Evoking a being for a single task means a large level of control methods, safe guards, and protection in place before the evocation even begins. It implies a degree of self defense and defense for the client in the process and allows practitioners of darker art forms to work with beings that would otherwise be on a "no go" list.

Bonding a being as such though, would be disastrous. The best you might get from something that really hates all humanity, or wants to kill you, or some combination of things like that is that it would break any vessel it was placed on - seen it happen - and leave. The worst you could see happen is that it would use the vessel as an anchor for its attacks while it wiped you from the face of the planet.

Spirit keeping has a lot to do with interaction, communication, working with, and bonding with a being. Evocation has more to do with command and control toward a purpose. Moral philosophies aside one is suited to spirit keeping and having a powerful companion and one is suited toward something more task oriented.

That said I don't discourage anyone from anything. I simply support and explain a bit further my view on the situation as a practitioner. A ring of the 72 Goetic Demons is an evocation device meant to summon them forth, not a bonded vessel meant to communicate with them at all times as you would a different being as an example. Different methods for different purposes and all that.
Hello Charles,
Thanks for your insight which is always interesting.
May I ask if you are referring to the Sluagh in particular here please or extreme DA in general that are not really suitable for binding?

I had 2 sluagh bound to me, not a vessel, in late 2014 and I didn't really notice anything.
I only paid for one to come but the seller said that two wanted to come to me (as you will know from my emails this has happened since with another seller and other dark beings).
Several months later I asked the seller to revoke all the spirits and entities that had been bound to me as I felt uncomfortable and wanted a fresh start with spirits.
He asked me that if any of the beings wished to stay with me anyway would I like that?
I replied that was a very kind offer but no thank you and asked him to give my sincere apologies to the spirits and wished them all good luck with a new keeper.

I am just wondering now if they were all correctly revoked !
I am sure they were and I have has cleansings done since to clear my aura.
I assume that a kept spirit that has been revoked by the conjuror cannot "hang around"?
And if it can it would then be an unbound and unwelcome intruder?


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Shadows_ and_Omens wrote: Thank you for the info. :)
You're welcome :)
Good luck with whatever you decide.


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Anteros wrote:I have asked about the Sluagh before and even though they may be listed as BA in the encyclopedia I think in reality they are extreme DA. There is a difference.
Maybe CH just don't want to go there but I don't think the Sluagh or the "restless dead" as they are called are BA in the sense that they will seek to destroy YOUR life and turn your world upsidedown.
From what I understand from wiser folk than me here is that true BA do not have choice in the matter, they cannot do what we call "good". They seek to only disrupt, deceive and destroy.
I would say that is not a fair description of the Sluagh.
You can often find the Sluagh on Bonanza.

Actually if you read information based on the old folklore, then comparatively speaking, the CH encyclopedia gives a much milder description of the Sluagh. Originally, the Sluagh were faeries that were so wild and unruly that they were banished from the realm of Faery, and they began wandering the world causing chaos. At some point, they started collecting and assimilating the spirits of dead or dying humans. Many of the humans that were assimilated into the Sluagh were said to be so wicked, that they wouldn't even be permitted into hell. However, it was also said that the Sluagh would take humans who had allowed their hearts to completely fall into despair (such as those who committed suicide). Sometimes people would get revenge on someone by summoning the Sluagh, and having them take that person away to be assimilated into the Sluagh, this however came at a price, for when the one who did the summoning was on their deathbed, the Sluagh would come to claim them as well. People were so afraid of the Sluagh, many didn't even dare to speak the word aloud, for fear of inadvertently summoning them. Some sources say even the devil himself feared the Sluagh. There are also stories of the Sluagh coming and carrying off some random human only to drop them off at some random location, and then disappearing into the night. If one went by the old school descriptions of the Sluagh, one could easily see how they might end up with a BA rating. In spite of that however, I still feel a strong pull to bring a member of the Sluagh into my life.



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Re: Does CH ever make exceptions?

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Anteros wrote:
Charles_Odinforce wrote:Not to chime in unrequested but....

As a fellow practitioner there is a big difference between Evocation of a being for a single task and binding a being for companionship. I totally recognize and support Ash's decision on this. Evoking a being for a single task means a large level of control methods, safe guards, and protection in place before the evocation even begins. It implies a degree of self defense and defense for the client in the process and allows practitioners of darker art forms to work with beings that would otherwise be on a "no go" list.

Bonding a being as such though, would be disastrous. The best you might get from something that really hates all humanity, or wants to kill you, or some combination of things like that is that it would break any vessel it was placed on - seen it happen - and leave. The worst you could see happen is that it would use the vessel as an anchor for its attacks while it wiped you from the face of the planet.

Spirit keeping has a lot to do with interaction, communication, working with, and bonding with a being. Evocation has more to do with command and control toward a purpose. Moral philosophies aside one is suited to spirit keeping and having a powerful companion and one is suited toward something more task oriented.

That said I don't discourage anyone from anything. I simply support and explain a bit further my view on the situation as a practitioner. A ring of the 72 Goetic Demons is an evocation device meant to summon them forth, not a bonded vessel meant to communicate with them at all times as you would a different being as an example. Different methods for different purposes and all that.
Hello Charles,
Thanks for your insight which is always interesting.
May I ask if you are referring to the Sluagh in particular here please or extreme DA in general that are not really suitable for binding?

I had 2 sluagh bound to me, not a vessel, in late 2014 and I didn't really notice anything.
I only paid for one to come but the seller said that two wanted to come to me (as you will know from my emails this has happened since with another seller and other dark beings).
Several months later I asked the seller to revoke all the spirits and entities that had been bound to me as I felt uncomfortable and wanted a fresh start with spirits.
He asked me that if any of the beings wished to stay with me anyway would I like that?
I replied that was a very kind offer but no thank you and asked him to give my sincere apologies to the spirits and wished them all good luck with a new keeper.

I am just wondering now if they were all correctly revoked !
I am sure they were and I have has cleansings done since to clear my aura.
I assume that a kept spirit that has been revoked by the conjuror cannot "hang around"?
And if it can it would then be an unbound and unwelcome intruder?
By the way, what seller did you get your Sluagh from? :)



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Shadows_ and_Omens wrote:
Anteros wrote:I have asked about the Sluagh before and even though they may be listed as BA in the encyclopedia I think in reality they are extreme DA. There is a difference.
Maybe CH just don't want to go there but I don't think the Sluagh or the "restless dead" as they are called are BA in the sense that they will seek to destroy YOUR life and turn your world upsidedown.
From what I understand from wiser folk than me here is that true BA do not have choice in the matter, they cannot do what we call "good". They seek to only disrupt, deceive and destroy.
I would say that is not a fair description of the Sluagh.
You can often find the Sluagh on Bonanza.

Actually if you read information based on the old folklore, then comparatively speaking, the CH encyclopedia gives a much milder description of the Sluagh. Originally, the Sluagh were faeries that were so wild and unruly that they were banished from the realm of Faery, and they began wandering the world causing chaos. At some point, they started collecting and assimilating the spirits of dead or dying humans. Many of the humans that were assimilated into the Sluagh were said to be so wicked, that they wouldn't even be permitted into hell. However, it was also said that the Sluagh would take humans who had allowed their hearts to completely fall into despair (such as those who committed suicide). Sometimes people would get revenge on someone by summoning the Sluagh, and having them take that person away to be assimilated into the Sluagh, this however came at a price, for when the one who did the summoning was on their deathbed, the Sluagh would come to claim them as well. People were so afraid of the Sluagh, many didn't even dare to speak the word aloud, for fear of inadvertently summoning them. Some sources say even the devil himself feared the Sluagh. There are also stories of the Sluagh coming and carrying off some random human only to drop them off at some random location, and then disappearing into the night. If one went by the old school descriptions of the Sluagh, one could easily see how they might end up with a BA rating. In spite of that however, I still feel a strong pull to bring a member of the Sluagh into my life.
Thanks for posting that.
It was a very interesting (and chilling!) read.


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Shadows_ and_Omens wrote:
By the way, what seller did you get your Sluagh from? :)
Truemetaphysical on bonanza


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Anteros wrote:
Shadows_ and_Omens wrote:
Anteros wrote:I have asked about the Sluagh before and even though they may be listed as BA in the encyclopedia I think in reality they are extreme DA. There is a difference.
Maybe CH just don't want to go there but I don't think the Sluagh or the "restless dead" as they are called are BA in the sense that they will seek to destroy YOUR life and turn your world upsidedown.
From what I understand from wiser folk than me here is that true BA do not have choice in the matter, they cannot do what we call "good". They seek to only disrupt, deceive and destroy.
I would say that is not a fair description of the Sluagh.
You can often find the Sluagh on Bonanza.

Actually if you read information based on the old folklore, then comparatively speaking, the CH encyclopedia gives a much milder description of the Sluagh. Originally, the Sluagh were faeries that were so wild and unruly that they were banished from the realm of Faery, and they began wandering the world causing chaos. At some point, they started collecting and assimilating the spirits of dead or dying humans. Many of the humans that were assimilated into the Sluagh were said to be so wicked, that they wouldn't even be permitted into hell. However, it was also said that the Sluagh would take humans who had allowed their hearts to completely fall into despair (such as those who committed suicide). Sometimes people would get revenge on someone by summoning the Sluagh, and having them take that person away to be assimilated into the Sluagh, this however came at a price, for when the one who did the summoning was on their deathbed, the Sluagh would come to claim them as well. People were so afraid of the Sluagh, many didn't even dare to speak the word aloud, for fear of inadvertently summoning them. Some sources say even the devil himself feared the Sluagh. There are also stories of the Sluagh coming and carrying off some random human only to drop them off at some random location, and then disappearing into the night. If one went by the old school descriptions of the Sluagh, one could easily see how they might end up with a BA rating. In spite of that however, I still feel a strong pull to bring a member of the Sluagh into my life.
Thanks for posting that.
It was a very interesting (and chilling!) read.
Lol to be fair though, most stories concerning faeries were considerably darker in the old folklore. The CH encyclopedia tends to use the Post-Victorian era concept of faeries, which is much tamer. Reading up on folklore and mythology is a personal hobby of mine, and I devote much of my free time to it. I first started reading about the Sluagh around six years ago, which was about three years before I started spirit keeping. The first thing I read concerning the Sluagh was mainly about their tendency to carry people off and drop them off in random locations. Sometimes it was only a few miles away from that person's home, but other times the Sluagh would drop them off in another country, or on another continent, leaving the disoriented human with the difficult task of trying to get back home. However, sometimes the Sluagh would drop the person from such a height, that they would die from the fall.



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Anteros wrote:
Shadows_ and_Omens wrote:
By the way, what seller did you get your Sluagh from? :)
Truemetaphysical on bonanza

Thank you. I'll have to check them out. :)



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Shadows_ and_Omens wrote:
Anteros wrote:
Shadows_ and_Omens wrote:
By the way, what seller did you get your Sluagh from? :)
Truemetaphysical on bonanza

Thank you. I'll have to check them out. :)
He doesn't have any sluagh listed at the moment but he has this:
"Angra Mainyu Masters of Darkness" which he states in the listing are often confused with the sluagh as they have similar abilities but are twice as powerful and count the sluagh as among their followers 2ded


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