Obviously not. But, in media, from movies, to Hollywood, to anime, to other mediums, seems succubi (and incubi) have been given this term often, where they supposedly molest (is that the correct usage of that term?) aka have sex with a human being, and uses that time to suck out their soul, supposedly feeding on it's energy, leaving behind a soulless husk to walk around, et cetera.

It walked across my mind once, hey, since they never actually do that, from what I can recall
(And so far that I seen, I'm pretty sure separating your soul from your body isn't possible, unless you die. Correct me if I'm wrong) and this is just my opinion, but I do believe that no succubi or incubi has tried to steal someone's soul. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.


So, why would this be a term that was applied to ubi?

So I brought it up to A, and we discussed why. Or rather, she told me a opinion, and I did a brief search about it.

So you see, way back when a lot of these myths started, for one, people weren't very educated. Or rather, a larger portion of the common people were not. So misunderstanding what a BA spirit verses a DA spirit, could have happened. And people will make assumptions, it was sex related, and Ubi are sex related. 1 + 1 = 5. You get what I mean. False conclusion.

Anyways.

But how was this not corrected? Obviously someone would know, maybe, right?

Well that's where the divide between Christianity and other religions/non religions happen.

Because in Christianity, for reasons that I'm not 100% quite clear on, supposedly having sex before you are married, or having sex dreams or thoughts, is "sinful".
Why would it be sinful? Well that's another whole topic.
One that from a religion point of view, I'm non too sure. Sex had a whole taboo label on it back then. Still does for certain types of Christians.
From a overhead point of view, it was population control. You could make sure people didn't have too many kids, so that the population didn't get out of control. Smart, although it does contribute to the confusion nowadays.


So, since ubi do feed off of sexual energy, (NOT souls) and they do enjoy sex, Christianity also labeled that sort of thing "demonic" (which might lead to the demon label on ubi. I'm still not clear exactly what would define "demon" by our standards, in spirit keeping. Any help on that?) and that having those sorts of experiences, was sinful, and therefore should be avoided.

And so the myth that they suck souls out of you, as a further incentive, stuck.


Or so I've heard and seen anyways. This is merely a opinion, and not everyone may agree. If so, don't get pissed off please, just state your opinion.

No offence was meant with this post, I am merely interested in why that whole thing became a common theme of Ubi in media and why it seems it was misunderstood.

Feel free to post a reply, and I hope you have a lovely day.

Darksbane wrote: So you see, way back when a lot of these myths started, for one, people weren't very educated. Or rather, a larger portion of the common people were not. So misunderstanding what a BA spirit verses a DA spirit, could have happened. And people will make assumptions, it was sex related, and Ubi are sex related. 1 + 1 = 5. You get what I mean. False conclusion.

Tales from spirits who have intercourse with sleeping persons reach back to ancient african myths over to india and pre islamic arabia.
So.....define not very educated. It didn't start in the middle ages if that is what you think. If you want to compare our educated against their educated, you might be right though.
I think the soul sucking part came to be, because a) people were paralyzed and afraid and b) in the middle ages, everything was out for your soul.

Darksbane wrote: One that from a religion point of view, I'm non too sure. Sex had a whole taboo label on it back then. Still does for certain types of Christians.
From a overhead point of view, it was population control. You could make sure people didn't have too many kids, so that the population didn't get out of control. Smart, although it does contribute to the confusion nowadays.

Sex wasn't really a taboo. Married couples were and are allowed to do it, as often as they wanted, so it was less about population control. I mean look at south america, christians, population problems. Africa, christians, population problems and STD problems too, of course, because protection is a nono for christians.
Also what do you mean back then? Back when? I don't want to know how often the bible was changed by religious leaders.

My guesses why sexuality outside of marriage was made taboo:

1) STD's
2) Stability for couples and children because Marriage
3) Less jealousy based fighting

Aprophis wrote:

Darksbane wrote: So you see, way back when a lot of these myths started, for one, people weren't very educated. Or rather, a larger portion of the common people were not. So misunderstanding what a BA spirit verses a DA spirit, could have happened. And people will make assumptions, it was sex related, and Ubi are sex related. 1 + 1 = 5. You get what I mean. False conclusion.

Tales from spirits who have intercourse with sleeping persons reach back to ancient african myths over to india and pre islamic arabia.
So.....define not very educated. It didn't start in the middle ages if that is what you think. If you want to compare our educated against their educated, you might be right though.
I think the soul sucking part came to be, because a) people were paralyzed and afraid and b) in the middle ages, everything was out for your soul.

Darksbane wrote: One that from a religion point of view, I'm non too sure. Sex had a whole taboo label on it back then. Still does for certain types of Christians.
From a overhead point of view, it was population control. You could make sure people didn't have too many kids, so that the population didn't get out of control. Smart, although it does contribute to the confusion nowadays.

Sex wasn't really a taboo. Married couples were and are allowed to do it, as often as they wanted, so it was less about population control. I mean look at south america, christians, population problems. Africa, christians, population problems and STD problems too, of course, because protection is a nono for christians.
Also what do you mean back then? Back when? I don't want to know how often the bible was changed by religious leaders.

My guesses why sexuality outside of marriage was made taboo:

1) STD's
2) Stability for couples and children because Marriage
3) Less jealousy based fighting

Hm, good points, and, I'm not sure how to put this, it wasn't all for the people's sake that some rules were put in. Eh I dunno.

And as for back "when" I don't know what you mean. I'm meaning before stuff like the nowadays, so yeah, I wasn't exactly meaning medieval, but the dark ages and similar times.


And I meant taboo as in it wasn't discussed, and more so the thought processes of, were discouraged. Maybe I was just exposed to a different type of Christianity, I dunno. Again, not trying to offend anyone.


And yes I'm comparing our educated to theirs. Especially concerning the fact we have vast amounts of people to refer to, in comparison to the word to mouth when... Hm. When did spirituality sort of things start huh? That's a interesting question. I don't think anyone knows. People just keep referring to "that" time.

And yeah. I was more so addressing the whole false myths. Not this other subject. It's messy. It's why I tend to avoid these subjects. Sigh.

Also, I do guess that makes sense, the whole "everything was out for your soul". But again, why? Why did people slap a fear label on everything? Hm. Ah well.


Maybe I'm just blundering and stating things and asking silly questions, sorry.

Darksbane wrote: And yes I'm comparing our educated to theirs. Especially concerning the fact we have vast amounts of people to refer to, in comparison to the word to mouth when... Hm. When did spirituality sort of things start huh? That's a interesting question. I don't think anyone knows. People just keep referring to "that" time.

And yeah. I was more so addressing the whole false myths. Not this other subject. It's messy. It's why I tend to avoid these subjects. Sigh.

Also, I do guess that makes sense, the whole "everything was out for your soul". But again, why? Why did people slap a fear label on everything? Hm. Ah well.

Spirituality started when the first people saw wind moving grass and thought it was a god. When they first saw lightning split trees and though it was a god.
Animism started a loooooooong time ago, probably as soon as apes started to think for themselves.

Why did people start slapping a fear label on anything? Because the unknown is scary.

H.P. Lovecraft wrote: “The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown”

How would you react if you were stranded in the woods, at night and suddenly there was movement at your right side and a howl that followed? The things you don't know about and don't see are the most dangerous and therefore also most scary.

Aprophis wrote:

Darksbane wrote: And yes I'm comparing our educated to theirs. Especially concerning the fact we have vast amounts of people to refer to, in comparison to the word to mouth when... Hm. When did spirituality sort of things start huh? That's a interesting question. I don't think anyone knows. People just keep referring to "that" time.

And yeah. I was more so addressing the whole false myths. Not this other subject. It's messy. It's why I tend to avoid these subjects. Sigh.

Also, I do guess that makes sense, the whole "everything was out for your soul". But again, why? Why did people slap a fear label on everything? Hm. Ah well.

Spirituality started when the first people saw wind moving grass and thought it was a god. When they first saw lightning split trees and though it was a god.
Animism started a loooooooong time ago, probably as soon as apes started to think for themselves.

Why did people start slapping a fear label on anything? Because the unknown is scary.

H.P. Lovecraft wrote: “The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown”

How would you react if you were stranded in the woods, at night and suddenly there was movement at your right side and a howl that followed? The things you don't know about and don't see are the most dangerous and therefore also most scary.

Guess that makes sense. Would mean though that soon as we were consciously aware enough. So more than a average ape. Hmh.

And yeah. I guess I just don't fully understand the fear of the unknown. I may experience it, but I can't logically understand why it's a fear. Ah well.

And as for how I would react,
I would be startled, but unless I was in danger, I wouldn't be scared. Danger is what scares me, not the unknown. Then again, this is people way back BC we are talking about, not the people of today. Hm.



Again this is all theoretical discussion, I was merely wondering why there was fear associated with a lot of spirits, especially ones like Ubi, or other spirits.

Or that was the original point of the post anyways :lol:

Darksbane wrote: I would be startled, but unless I was in danger, I wouldn't be scared. Danger is what scares me, not the unknown.

Fun, but it IS danger until you know it's not. It can be equally deadly or harmless.

And in the dark, where you can't see and you don't know what's what, you can't even react properly to any danger. Run away? Run right into it's claws. Fight? Fight what you can't see? Good luck.
And fear gives you the push of adrenaline that makes you fast enough to have a chance.

The way you react gets you eaten by a Grue. Quickly.

I remember reading somewhere online that people used to attribute their breath to being a part of your soul so if something was taking your breath it was essentially taking your soul so since ubi's take people's breath with sex they were thought to take a person's soul.

Blessed be

As a Christian I can give you my opinion on the sex part. So everyone is aware I'm sure of what happens to you during the whole intercourse having. Mind body soul is touched by the other person all that good stuff but when you actually think about where your chakras are and how energy works, during intercourse there is an exchange in a sense, right? People can become attached to who they are with. I've even heard from some people that your soul is in a sense touching the other persons. (I'm thinking of it more as your energy touching the other persons) to those who are intimate in this way with their spirits I'm sure you understand how beneficial it is to do the same with your companions. Only difference with people is that we tend to be a little more selfish and sometimes some people are a little darker. Your spirit companions have been around a long time in different teams and ect ect. We have these bodies and we may do things that harm our auras, minds and anything else that would or considered unexplainable. So if you have all these bad things goin on with you stress, you do hard core drugs, what ever else (this is just an example) then you have intercourse with someone then who knows what you may be putting into that persons body (metaphysically also) you could have things that are attached to you that may want to harm you, evil or negative entities that may watch you and are attached to you next thing you know you are doing it with someone and that opens them up to you and also what ever is attached to you :o SO I think it's said the way it is because your body is a temple and all that good stuff and you don't want to ruin it with the bad things that lurk in the world. It's tidious that humans are so fragile in some ways. Then there's your people who yah know only think with their lower regions and I find that highly disturbing and I don't understand it. I mean think about spirits for a minute, they understand this on a spiritual level bc ultimately that's what lasts, our bodies don't. So our companions know it's a way to bind but I'm sure they know how to use it to heal or what ever else. Humans tend to not think beyond their pleasures or what they want.

Hope that helped I can only tell you my opinions or what I see around me

Aprophis wrote:

Darksbane wrote: I would be startled, but unless I was in danger, I wouldn't be scared. Danger is what scares me, not the unknown.

Fun, but it IS danger until you know it's not. It can be equally deadly or harmless.

And in the dark, where you can't see and you don't know what's what, you can't even react properly to any danger. Run away? Run right into it's claws. Fight? Fight what you can't see? Good luck.
And fear gives you the push of adrenaline that makes you fast enough to have a chance.

The way you react gets you eaten by a Grue. Quickly.

Hmh, I've been told I'm not a survivalist, so you're not the first lol. That's alright. I think I needed to take a step back and relax before coming back here. After all, you don't mean any offence by this comment, right?

As for the which for and what not, I'm non too concerned. Sure, maybe I'm not the best. But I am improving, and I'll keep looking at the positives, and just work on getting better after all. One step at a time.

Also, what the hell is a Grue? Someone tell me, as now I am insanely curious.

To be quite frank, I'm okay with me. You be you. I'll be me. And things will be fine ^_^

Regardless of not being the most prepared, ah well. But there is no point in panicking.

Cheers!

DualWanderer3 wrote:I remember reading somewhere online that people used to attribute their breath to being a part of your soul so if something was taking your breath it was essentially taking your soul so since ubi's take people's breath with sex they were thought to take a person's soul.

Blessed be

That would actually make a LOT of sense! Hahahah. No wonder lol....


Also, random question, are any dragons, Ubi, or other "mythical" species still around?