Ishvala wrote:darkwing dook wrote:Bad analogy.
If you argue about their shop, sure. The forum is not the product nor service.
It's not a product but it is a service they provide to people. Just because something is free to members doesn't mean it isn't a service (look at free to play MMO's). They do advertise here, their own shop, as well as others in topics such as reviews and love for CH specifically. They get an audience out of this forum and a lucrative one. In my mind, that makes this place more beneficial to them than one might think.darkwing dook wrote:If you use the argument that it's subjective, then what you called "basic decency" is also subjective, depending on local tradition, morality, personal preference, etc.
Again, moot point.
If respect, what it is, and how much of it an owner should give its members has to be debated on I suppose this is a moot point.darkwing dook wrote:Here's an analogy: Do you trust all the adult-aged people in your surrounding and social circle to be adults? And do they all have the same concept and definition of basic decency as yours? If yes to both, then I'd say you live in a good (and a bit creepy : P) place.
No, in fact due to past experiences I have some pretty bad trust issues. However again, there's a difference between trusting everyone around you to not trash your house during a party and trusting a few members to be able to use pms without breaking a website. That said, I'm not even advocating for much more than less strict policies. I'm not expecting the site to become some wild house party with no rules because "I'm sick of workin for The man, Timmy! Eff the system!!"
It's really not so colorful. XDdarkwing dook wrote:Your example doesn't show any evidence that CH has committed authoritarian-esque response. More like you are projecting your personal negative feeling based on what you've experienced somewhere else into CH.
That's my point. I Feel this way. I have opinions based on both what I've read and my feelings. I have seen other members feel this way and worse, and debate leaving such as Sid, or leave entirely - and I haven't even been here for that long.
Yes, my feelings are subjective but the fact remains that I'm not the only one, at least three members I know personally and several I've been told of echo my problems to some degree if not more so but have given up in expecting change.
There is a lack of information CH has provided to us to comfort us or make their members more aware and thus accepting of things, there are statements above that have been brushed off as "Well it COULD happen" or "Well they COULD choose not to be mature" instead of focusing on the facts of the matter, and on top of that let's say I'm completely wrong and everything I said was just emotional passion taking a turn for the worst...
Well the original message still stays. This site needs change to better accommodate its members. Sure, it functions. Sure, CH is popular enough to sustain itself on its store and they'll get new members through there consistently, but the care FEELS gone. That feeling is driving away a heck of a lot of people. I figured setting up slightly less restrictions or even just getting a more detailed response as to the why behind them would be good for the community. I suppose I am mistaken?
Edit: Also I don't think I'm projecting anything negative outside of feeling shut down for merely wanting better for a site I enjoy being on. I understand emotions, my own and others, to a very deep degree and I don't think it's fair of you to make that assumption but I also think it's your right to theorize so...take that as you will.
I respect the attempts at trying to reach a agreement, hopefully something comes of this, if you decide to contact CH directly.
Am i extremely bitter and disappointed with this forum? Yes, i am.
Do i think restricting basic communication skills to members above newly registered is dumb? Yeah i do. You already had time to be civil, don't see why you need more, just seems elitist to me and angers me a lot.
I understand why this is the way it is, if you want control and make sure the forum doesn't get shut down, go for it. It doesn't really matter in the end, old members will still be around, new members will come and go, either being extremely disappointed or satisfied at information and the community for a time, but eventually leaving and seeking elsewhere for better feedback, as i rarely post anything about my spiritual journey here, as i usually don't get answers.
Same token, you do let members have more control, then forum gets in trouble due to nasty people and gets shut down. Also doesn't matter in the end, due to it getting shut down.
Its popular enough to survive, Ch doesn't need saving really. Most times the other meta communities i been to have actually been less restrictive, and more open. So i have no idea what that other guy is saying about "restrictive" the rules are fairly common sense and easier to follow.
But again, i get it. This is a professional community. They want it to be that way, let it be that way. It works for those that have been around for a long long time. Let sleeping dogs lie.