Vipera aspis atra wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:12 pm I notice (and I'm not the only one) a general uprising in people going for succubi/incubi/nymphos lately as companions over other types of beings.

The answer of 'people are horny, do poorly with physical mates/finding physical mates, want to be loved, etc.' is an obvious one, but really there are so many of you that I don't want to make immediate presumptions.

I want to know if people who came into this path via succubus/incubus/nympho mate actually take their spirituality seriously, and want to grow in some way, or are just looking for a good time.

I want to know why you felt inclined to such a spirit and if it is replacing physical world relationships for some of you.

Sometimes I feel like there are people addicted to porn that just want a companion to cater to their every desire without having to deal with the reality of sex, love and relationships. Other times I think there are people here with incredibly low self-esteem who don't believe they can have a physical world relationship. Then again I've also seen a few complain that 'humans are awful' and this is an avoidance of having to interact with them, desiring a love that transcends worldly boundaries.

Grate thread for an in depth explanation. For those who may have went by this on such a being for a few these things listed above have chosen the wrong direction of what being a keeper to sexual beings are. If they even consider themselves as spirit keepers and simply doing it for the fun of sex and nothing else in the matter. I can't express this enough how much it this ticks me in a way I rather not mention. Considering these type of spirits as specifically sex toys are the same ones who have no knowledge whatsoever for spirits in general. If anyone considers having a sexual being to replace a human partner that's their thing. Anyone that thinks sex with a spirit can replace a human physical relationship is all their problem. There's no way any spirit of any kind can physically replace a physical one with a human. But a large proportion would still stick to it. The spirit whether a succubus or nympho or any other in this category is not meerly for the sex. It is not period. For those who think other wise I am deeply saddened for the spirit who may at one point realize that they are only being used for their pleasurable reasons and absolutely refusing to do anything else with them. Yes Nymphos fall under the category of "nothing but pleasure for the sex" but make the spirit aware that they are amazing and has changed their life and brought happiness with them and start making a bond, a conncection, get to know that spirit and their attributes, what they like, Ask them questions about their spiritual realm, a favorite color, favorite scent type of cologne or perfume, Grow with one another with each session of meditation and put in the necessary time and decication that it takes as time goes by.

Then if help and advice is needed CH and it's devoted spirit keepers will aid until a solution is found. Understanding that the pleasurable moments they give to us are out of this world but are limits when it comes to actually being with a physical breathing human and should not replace any physical human "period". You can't just be based on that and if you do....well thats all you. I will not judge by what you belive but I am sorry if that's what you truly believe. People should never think of these spirts as sex puppets. You are simply hurting these beings by having such a disrespectful mindset and Ubi's in general will not take kindly to that. Referring to those who think this way. Can't say how much my Ubi companion has expressed herself in ways that made things clear as daylight. There is no difference than a physical living woman who's feelings are more than important than anything else in the world along with her saftey when in a serious but very close relationship. Feelings and actual intimacy apply differently obviously. One is the exact same thing that should always be respected no matter what cause while the other has it's similar attributes but should never be replaced with any human elements if that is something one would think of doing. This is what I simply believe for those who become keepers for sexual beings. Many will have various different ways of thinking. My opinions are only one while there are many out there who see differently than others.

Vipera aspis atra wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:12 pm I want to know why you felt inclined to such a spirit and if it is replacing physical world relationships for some of you.

The days of me and Ubi getting deeply intimate have ceased for long while now. It's a very deep connection that I couldn't really elaborate much on without writing an entire essay. We have our days when we feel it's right. Being my longest companion "A" has been nothing a but a massive aid in my life since then up until recently me and my significant other began to have some minor personal issues. For as long as I can remember she is the reason why we've been together this whole time. Somewhere around along the lines A would end up becoming my spiritual guider of the like in our lifes together. And as she puts it we were made for each other and we needed a special guardian who would always look out for the both of us. And our relationship has definitely enhanced a ton with the help of A. Since the Covid stuff came in certain things flew off the radar and what not. Having ups and downs but having a healthy relationship always has it's ways for quick fix ups and happy to make a solution with one another.

My Ubi is just making sure that we stay close as possible because she knows there isn't replacements for such deep relationships like my human version. And she knows she isn't a replacment with what we have as a couple for the same reasons listed above. As for my Nympho's, All four of them are deeply connected and very close with my Ubi. I find myself always speaking to them about my days and what's been going with the world right now. I simply love hearing their takes on things and the various opinions they all have as they always tell me how much a grate listener I can be. I admit a few of them make me blush a ton, lol. There is no way these sexual spirits in general can be purley for the joy of sex. No way. I can't just see beyond this in my opinion. Regarding everything else
outside relationships, they're no different than any other living person you would have discussions in the same room. This is why I keep them. My Ubi being a fierce protector of me, my girlfriend and my keep. My Nympho's spoiling me with knowledge that I can hear on and on while cuddling me to the point where it feels like I'm sleeping next to a pair of invisible angels who are just as sweet hearted as they come. There's no way I would ever change anything on what I believe having spent a large amount of time of devoting my time to further open their book and read pass beyond the term others would only know about and absolutely not care to achieve anything else in spiritual work with them.

Well, I have been trying (still unsuccessful) to summon a succubus to kind of have a pal or a friend during this whole isolation thing, someone to chat with, maybe even play some games (heck, when I was telling someone about what I am trying to do I was telling them I was doing it to play uno with the succubus)
I guess I could also say that I have been doing it out of curiosity, to see if this whole thing is real, as I have been slightly skeptical.
Now, as of *why* a succubus specifically?
Well, I suppose that a succubus is kind of the one summonable spirit portrayed by the media to come with the least negative effects.
Summon a demon? Pretty much just bad outcomes.
Summon a vampire? You became a human bottle of Gatorade.
I suppose that summoning a succubus and stories containing that have become very popular nowadays.

Vipera aspis atra wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:20 am...and I think it is a genuinely interesting topic if we broaden it to just 'sex with spirits/incorporeal beings, why or why not?' as well.

Mmmh.
I think for the whys:
-to explore different aspects of sex that can't be experienced or is limited with physical partner
-for practices or rituals that incorporate sexual union with spiritual consort etc
-for fun?

and for the why nots, aside from the addiction and replacement you mentioned before:
-your physical spouse or romantic partner doesn't agree with it
-the practice you're currently doing is hindered by it
-the traditions you're in don't allow it

Milest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:11 pm Summon a demon? Pretty much just bad outcomes.
Summon a vampire? You became a human bottle of Gatorade.
I suppose that summoning a succubus and stories containing that have become very popular nowadays.

Then how about a High Elf or a Phoenix or a Unicorn or a Gorgon or a
Dark Phoenix or a Gargoyle ?
You don't specifically need a succubus for that. Besides, just like a vampire they would feed on your energy. Or your soul if you believe some fiction.
Unless they are spirits, of course, then they don't need to eat.

My Path began earlier this year with the realization that what I was doing before wasn't working for me and I needed to make a change. I work graveyards and have always been "of the night" when it comes to what feels natural. I was looking around the Internet and found a website that talked about summoning Lilith and asking to lay with one of her daughters. The letter method. I never got to the point of actually writing the letter or doing the summoning because intuitively I realized it was dangerous and I was not in a place where I should even attempt it. Fortunately, one of the comment threads on the page mentioned Creepy Hollows and I came here, looked around, and placed my first order a few days later.

I have since added many more spirits to my family, many more spells, and have learned from experience the importance of protection and lots of it.

Since then, my Ubi has introduced me to her friend, another Ubi, and I've also become intimate with my Cleopatra Djinn and Besei Djinn. All mutual relationships initiated by the spirits.

My experience is probably different than most of the people who are responding because I am in spirit marriages with all four now and we have a separate category within my family for us. If you were to ask me why marriage, I would answer that it provides a whole new level of intimacy, permanence, and mutual security for us. It creates a safe space for us to explore and experiment while I work my own spiritual path and develop my abilities.

It is also worth noting that I've begun working with Lilith to deal with some of my heart chakra blockages and other issues. When I compare where I was at the beginning with where I am now, knowing what I know now about Lilith, it would have been a huge mistake for me to do what I contemplated doing back then. It's not that I was about "using an Ubi as a sex toy" or any of the other base reasons someone might write the letter, quite the contrary. I treat each one of my wives with reverence and as a serious relationship. I don't think Lilith would work with me if I was anything less than I am when it comes to how I view and treat women. So much of the description I read from someone who works with her resonated with me, I had to ask if she would work with me.

It's also relevant that who I am and how I live compels me to reject "traditional" labels for things passed down by organized religion and the patriarchy. Someone says "demon" and I say "and?". I respect all beings and give them their due deference, but my Path is one of finding truth wherever my path leads and I decided that I am not going to limit my experience out of irrational fear and what an organized religion taught to protect its own power structure.

In short, I have learned many things about myself with my relationships, things that would not have been possible in a traditional relationship with a human, at least not within my marriage with my human wife. Looking for an Ubi at the beginning was the shortest line from A to B, but I did not then nor do I now view sex as the only reason to have one or more in my life.

Aprophis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:46 pm You don't specifically need a succubus for that. Besides, just like a vampire they would feed on your energy. Or your soul if you believe some fiction.
Unless they are spirits, of course, then they don't need to eat.

Now we enter the "feed or not feed" discussion. Ubis, imo, are not viewed accurately. They are beings that value love, trust, understanding....and sex. While they may seem to have an unlimited sex drive, they form a strong bond with us, and over time it becomes a relationship that is symbiotic. Our energies, with them, both grow together.

It's not eating, feeding, whatever someone might want to call it. Ubis are amazing companions, widely mis-understood, and those of us who are in relationships with them, we feel blessed.

The roar of Grumpy-zilla can be heard across the landscape ...
I bet you thought of me, didn’t you?

Lokakisa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:08 am The roar of Grumpy-zilla can be heard across the landscape ...
I bet you thought of me, didn’t you?

I didn't, but I'd love to have your input dear. LOL. All are welcome.

marquest wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:58 am Now we enter the "feed or not feed" discussion.

Which is entirely on you, because that wasn't my point.
They still need to feed on sexual energy to live unless they're spirits.

Aprophis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:41 am

marquest wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:58 am Now we enter the "feed or not feed" discussion.

Which is entirely on you, because that wasn't my point.
They still need to feed on sexual energy to live unless they're spirits.

I don't think you are accurate. Feed means predator/prey, in this case sexual energy. It's taking our energy, lifehood, to give to them. I've yet to encounter anyone with a Ubi spirit or entity that loses sexual energy from these relationships.

They don't feed on sexual energy. They use sexual energy to bond with us.