Why sex spirits, and why not?

Johnny Seraph · Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:51 pm

WaterSunFireRising wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:27 pm I don't keep any sexual spirits but am wondering if I should or not because...

I pretty much have never had a real or lasting human romantic relationship. The last two girls I had sex with, I regret and I kind of wish I was a virgin because I feel like I have a lot of sexual trauma. I am just very uncomfortable with sex. It feels animalistic and unnatural to me. But I also have a really hard time connecting to other people. I have Mars in Gemini and so sex for me is very intellectual and not so physical and I find that I don't connect with the people around me intellectually. And I put up these barriers because everything in my DNA (and from lousy experiences with friends and brief romances) tells me that I cannot connect with other people on a deep level. I know this is my own Unconscious getting in the way, but it feels really hard to heal myself. I feel I can't have deep r.ships with people. I watched my parents scream at each other about how much they hated each other and other unconscious projective nonsense when I was a kid and that wound has never healed.

I've also come to see from my experiences that "girls just want sex" and I can't provide that. I'm pretty much just not masculine enough because sex is my last and not my first priority when getting to know someone and it seems like in this age if you're not interested in sex then the girl just leaves. Fair enough, but it sucks for me lol.

If I felt like it was possible to have a deep meaningful r.ship, I would probably have gotten a sexual spirit. But since I feel I'm incapable of that, I pass on it because I don't want to have another bad experience with a female parter / disappoint the spirit. But for this reason I am wondering.. should I get a sexual spirit!?? I am wondering if one can help me heal my trauma over close r.ships and sex. It would be nice to feel like it's a possibility to have a close r.ship to another human and I'm wondering if a sexual/intimate spirit would help me with this? I really would appreciate anyones thoughts.

So my reason to have one would be to help me fix my sexual trauma, express my sexuality and sex drive healthily, as well as have one to help me learn to connect with other human beings.
My reason not to is that I'm afraid I'm not sexual enough, I'm afraid I'll fail or disappoint the spirit in our r.ship, and basically that I fear intimacy. I also don't really have a social life so I feel like I wouldn't be able to apply the spirits help. Again, I really would appreciate some advice from others on what they think of my situation and how an intimate/sexual spirit would work for me in my life.

Paradoxically, you MIGHT want to consider an incubus, of all things. Now, hear me out... $/.\$

You know how they say you sometimes have to break a bone to set it properly? In some cases, if a bone heals the wrong way, the bone itself may be just fine, but you could end up with muscle, ligament, or tendon damage. And while it's not always correct to re-break a bone, it's also not something that can categorically be ruled out.

Along those lines, if you were to go with a nympho, it would never hurt you, true enough, BUT. There is a chance that it might not be able to solve the problem, if what you actually need, deep down, is to confront something painful that you have to overcome.

And if you have concerns about your masculinity, an incubus would be more than happy to clue you in. Mine certainly is.

If you're worried about disappointing an incubus, don't be. They understand human nature, and a good one is not going to be unhappy with you, when you need time to process things.

If you do get an incubus, make sure he fully understands your situation. Tell him everything while you're bonding, and don't try to conceal anything. You have to be able to trust him completely, and that level of trust is definitely a two-way street.

E is giving me a bunch of information here, that I'm trying to condense. The short version is that an incubus who would already be a good match for you, right now, traumas and all, would be overjoyed to be able to, someday, embrace you as healed, knowing he was part of what helped you get through it all.

Likes2Read · Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:53 pm

My reason for "not" is that I am a married woman. I would feel like pursuing that sort of intimacy with another being would be a form of cheating on my husband. When I took that marriage vow, I meant it.

I do know what you mean, though. The forum seems to go through phases where one type of spirit seems to be getting a lot of attention at different times. Suddenly, there is a cluster of Ubi threads as people start new ones and bump all kinds of older discussions. Then it's Djinn, then it's Vampires, then it's back to Ubi. Sometimes, there are phases where it's threads for Angels and then Demons.

But the most common themes lately seem to be either Ubi or Demons.

My only concern is that I wince when there's an extra-explicit threat title, lol. People are newsy and read over your shoulder on the bus, you know?

Think of the commuting spirit keepers when you post new threads,

.

Vipera aspis atra · Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:55 am

GodSlayerBabe wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:20 am I've ranted about this time and time again but there are a multitude of so many different "sexual" races and beings out there that exist and so I get a little sketched when all I see is this romanticization with succubi /only/, when I know the real reason behind it.
And a lot of these same folk complaining about how something is not happening in the 'physical' for them with these 'sexual' beings like... that is so very telling to me.

Though to answer the question, I am one of those people who have a large group of mostly male 'sexual' entities and spirits and I think for me a lot of it is to do with helping with my sexual trauma and work with a few of my chakras.

Definitely something that stands out to me as well.
I would think that if someone is seeking a genuine connection (of love, romance, or even only sexual chemistry), they wouldn't beeline directly toward the ubi but rather open themselves up to the idea it can come in many forms (including a fellow human being).
I state this aside from the fact that obviously one can be truly called by an incubus/succubus, and everyone has their tastes; though my opinion is that most should be willing to admit at the very least they are looking to explore their sexuality for whatever purpose, or have a resource for sex and so they chose a being they knew of and felt they could count on for erotic interaction/affection. Like buying an escort, taking care of a sugar baby or supporting a mail-order bride/husband that one may or may not seek a deeper connection with.

I've developed sexual relationships with several types of beings. I do have a lot of experience with and knowledge about ubi, but they just aren't my choice sexual partner.

I agree it's very telling when you see people talking about their struggle with not being able to get physical-world responses from those companions.
There are many who badly crave physical touch and relationships but are largely avoidant of the physical reality they live in, the physical people around them, etc. People who almost 'collect' entire harems of sexual beings, maybe claiming there is a real connection or real love there when it's more about catering to lusts they haven't been able to facilitate, or don't think they can facilitate in the physical world --unfortunately sometimes to the point of being overtaken by delusions of grandeur.

It's great when a being can help heal a person, open them up sexually, or boost their confidence in themselves --but not if that doesn't translate to the physical world. People can get caught up in a fantasy world (this isn't limited to engaging with sex spirits of course), and that fantasy deforms the life they only have one chance to live and make the most of.
I mean yes, I can take more pleasure in sex with an otherworldly being than a worldly one in certain cases, and I can love a few of these beings unlike nearly everyone I have met in the physical world because I had the convenient advantage of reaching out for real soul connections --but you can reach out for soul connections manifested in the physical as well, and nothing replaces the unique intimacy and experience of physical sex or relationships.

Anyway, a bit of a ramble.

Vipera aspis atra · Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:13 am

Deaday2all wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:13 pm I find ALL of this Hilarious. Wheres the popcorn? ... No one seems to agree on anything. What to believe? who to go to for questions and answers?

You come to me for questions and answers because I'm the best. As evidence just see that I'm quoted in marquest's signature under one of my previous monikers which at very least three people in this thread can confirm.
That was so many years ago I can't even remember the context, but clearly it shows that he conceded to me and placed that in his signature of his own volition as proof.

A while has passed since there's been a real popcorn-inducing thread around here though, so I like to see it.

Lewk · Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:04 am

Late to this, I know.

This thread does seem to have stimulated some interesting exchanges of ideas and experiences. It's interesting to hear from those who have been around this forum for a very long time and have seen spirit keeping trends come and go.

I know one of the foundations of this forum is to welcome members from different kinds of beliefs or perspectives, so I'm not put out to see differing opinions on a topic.

Yeah - it does intrigue me that many people do seem to take that simplistic approach of going straight for a succubus. It bothers me too, as if there's something off about it. But on the other hand, the succubi are happy to be conjured, I guess.

I have appreciated getting to know a wide range of different types of sexual spirits (I don't have a succubus). As well as exploring all the different sides of connecting with them: sexual energy, the sexual urge, affection, romance...the psychic and spiritual side of it all...making friends with companions from a wide range of spirit races.

Ok...so why?

My story

My own strong interest in sexual spirits has been due to the drive to understand and resolve an encounter with one out of the blue that changed my life decades ago - when I had virtually zero conceptual basis to fall back on, to help me make sense of what was happening.

In my case, I wasn't looking for it. Hadn't heard of it. I was taken by surprise. It just happened.

At that fairly low point in my life, I was someone who had literally repressed my sexual side and was following a celibate spiritual path following an Indian Guru. Somewhere along the way after this sexual spirit came into my life, I became hypersexual and gradually learned more and more about occult and magical stuff.

But having a relationship with a sexual spirit seemed to be way beyond the pale for occultists, pagans, psychics, new agers etc in those days - the 1980s.

It's probably hard for younger people, who I think see quite a lot of discussion in meta forums nowadays about sexual spirits and relationships with them, to grasp how no one really knew anything much then. And it wouldn't be something you talked about with those who were spiritually aware. I once spoke to a yoga teacher who a work colleague thought was enlightened and could help me - they just point blank said they didn't know anything and couldn't and didn't even discuss it.

So it was a weird secret that I shared with very few people indeed.

Fast forward to seven years ago - I came across DJ Conway's Astral Lovers and felt such a relief that someone really had a good grasp on sexual relationships with incorporeal beings. Got it, trained up, used it. Started to get a better idea of how these things work.

tl:dr It was only 3 years ago that I discovered spirit keeping. Now I feel I have finally squared the circle on how my life changed direction 40 years ago, due to an out of the blue encounter with a sexual spirit. And I now at last I do have a conceptual basis and a lot more information with which to make sense of sexual spirits...and all that.

And it has been such a relief - I can't tell you how much of a relief it has been - to be able to discuss these things here in this forum.

marquest · Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:12 am

Vipera aspis atra wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:13 am\
That was so many years ago I can't even remember the context, but clearly it shows that he conceded to me and placed that in his signature of his own volition as proof.

That quote in my sig wasn't aimed at me, but another member. It's a great quote though. I don't think I concede anything by it, but my two Ubi's love it. They think you are awesome, even if you don't like me.

WaterSunFireRising · Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:17 am

Johnny Seraph wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:51 pm Paradoxically, you MIGHT want to consider an incubus, of all things. Now, hear me out... $/.\$

You know how they say you sometimes have to break a bone to set it properly? In some cases, if a bone heals the wrong way, the bone itself may be just fine, but you could end up with muscle, ligament, or tendon damage. And while it's not always correct to re-break a bone, it's also not something that can categorically be ruled out.

Along those lines, if you were to go with a nympho, it would never hurt you, true enough, BUT. There is a chance that it might not be able to solve the problem, if what you actually need, deep down, is to confront something painful that you have to overcome.

And if you have concerns about your masculinity, an incubus would be more than happy to clue you in. Mine certainly is.

If you're worried about disappointing an incubus, don't be. They understand human nature, and a good one is not going to be unhappy with you, when you need time to process things.

If you do get an incubus, make sure he fully understands your situation. Tell him everything while you're bonding, and don't try to conceal anything. You have to be able to trust him completely, and that level of trust is definitely a two-way street.

E is giving me a bunch of information here, that I'm trying to condense. The short version is that an incubus who would already be a good match for you, right now, traumas and all, would be overjoyed to be able to, someday, embrace you as healed, knowing he was part of what helped you get through it all.

Hey, Johnny.
I have thought of getting a male/masculine spirit to help me with masculinity issues and it's something I probably need to do because I have a lot of confidence issues and such just in general.
And I see what you mean by the Nympho vs. Ubi example. The threads I do see where people mention their Ubis always seem to say how their Ubis act as mentors to them. That's cool!
But as for an Incubus I don't know if I'd be comfortable with that

If you mean by "embrace me" to have sexual encounters with them then I wouldn't be up to that and so I'd definitely feel like I'd be disappointing one lol. But what you said would just as much apply to a Succubus too I assume.
I know any spirit would be glad to work with me and help me get to a more healed place and would be completely understanding of me, I guess I just fear the intimacy and maybe I don't feel ready to heal yet or to have that r.ship.. But at the same time maybe it's something I should go for and that's what I'm wondering to myself haha.
Thank you for your advice!

Vipera aspis atra · Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:55 am

marquest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:12 am
That quote in my sig wasn't aimed at me, but another member. It's a great quote though. I don't think I concede anything by it, but my two Ubi's love it. They think you are awesome, even if you don't like me.

I was being playful with my comment about your quote, just like I don't actually believe everyone should come to me for questions and answers!

I don't dislike you, I don't know most people here personally enough to tell if I like or dislike them really.
However, arguments do happen; like the fact that 'Ubi' is already pluralized and doesn't need an 's' - even if I don't care to die on that petty of a hill.

Don't want to take away from the great discussion happening now but I did want to clear that up.

Deaday2all · Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:58 pm

Vipera aspis atra wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:55 am
marquest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:12 am
I was being playful with my comment about your quote, just like I don't actually believe everyone should come to me for questions and answers!

In all honesty i enjoy the "playfulness" we need more of that. On the other hand i wanted to say as far as questions and answers go. The only way to fully learn and understand is to get multiple answers from multiple sources. I would like to hear answers from ALL you vets if i have a concerns and questions to broaden my understanding. I suppose everyone has different views and their spirits do to. *Group Hug* ;p

Milest · Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:36 pm

Aprophis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:46 pm
Milest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:11 pm Summon a demon? Pretty much just bad outcomes.
Summon a vampire? You became a human bottle of Gatorade.
I suppose that summoning a succubus and stories containing that have become very popular nowadays.
Then how about a High Elf or a Phoenix or a Unicorn or a Gorgon or a
Dark Phoenix or a Gargoyle ?
You don't specifically need a succubus for that. Besides, just like a vampire they would feed on your energy. Or your soul if you believe some fiction.
Unless they are spirits, of course, then they don't need to eat.

To answer your question, it's simply because most people don't know that you could even summon such creatures.
Most media dosen't portray them as being sumonable.
Stuff like High Elves and Unicorns are usually portrayed as already existing creatures in their wordls, not creatures which you can summon.

Why sex spirits, and why not?

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