Vipera aspis atra wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:12 pm I notice (and I'm not the only one) a general uprising in people going for succubi/incubi/nymphos lately as companions over other types of beings.

The answer of 'people are horny, do poorly with physical mates/finding physical mates, want to be loved, etc.' is an obvious one, but really there are so many of you that I don't want to make immediate presumptions.

I want to know if people who came into this path via succubus/incubus/nympho mate actually take their spirituality seriously, and want to grow in some way, or are just looking for a good time.

I want to know why you felt inclined to such a spirit and if it is replacing physical world relationships for some of you.

Sometimes I feel like there are people addicted to porn that just want a companion to cater to their every desire without having to deal with the reality of sex, love and relationships. Other times I think there are people here with incredibly low self-esteem who don't believe they can have a physical world relationship. Then again I've also seen a few complain that 'humans are awful' and this is an avoidance of having to interact with them, desiring a love that transcends worldly boundaries.

We've seen a lot of phases pass through this community; there was a time it seemed everyone was obsessed with Djinn, Vampires, Servitors.. now we're solidly in the era of sexual companions.

On the other hand, I also would be curious to see responses from people that are not at all interested in sex spirits, do not keep any or feel very negatively about them.

I have the same questions. Great post and still relevant today.

Vipera question. for me its loaded for me.... I had a woman i loved very much. ended up breaking my heart. i swear looking back at the relationship i think she might have had succbi dna. anyways. FOR some reason I never recovered? Iv dated. but none of them ever stuck to me.

Im a lair if i said i didnt want sex. however...... depending on mood sex can mean and BE way more than just sex..... I dont think I have to explain that? even if that is the biggest point? This generation seems to have so much sex they are calling it mutual masterbation. nothing but pyshical get off. addictions. I have had many addictions in my life as well sure..... addictive personality. weeeee.

but what i have to come to even realize and quickly with my sexual spirits. they first thing is not sex with me. it is a spiritual lesson or general caring for my well being. or loving whatever. yes naughty will happen. but its a way bigger picture for me. so id say spiritual growth is coming from mine. even if at first i didnt realize it. but yeah my sexual beings have been more of learning than sexual so far...... even when things seem very sexually intoxicated and ur like wtf am i feeling or falling into lol.

I think that is the best result though. if only everyone that got a succbi like me realizes woah. she is not only giving off sexual energy she is wanting the best for me she wants to push me spiritually she wants to protect... etc etc etc. Personally for me.... as soon as I realize this is what this being is doing knowing how big my heart is. i melt. so ill ask just for a hug and i wont even request for sexual attention. just the way my mind and heart is wired i guess...... but having a high sex drive its hard not to ask or more like wishful thinking.

but i agree society has a real issue with sex right now. so much porn. i mean onlyfans, and pyshology making new terms even...... calling two people having sex literally just mutual masterbation due to being pyshically addicted to just getting off. I am more traditional always wanted one woman thats it. partner.lover.friend. you name it. I cant speak for everyone but i do hope they learn the lessons of having such spirits. they are wonderful. even when im very limited in interactions.

Things have their trends and times when it's popular. When I was young everyone had an iphone or a certain song was very popular, even words can be popular. Pets, information on tiktok, etc. For a while rabbits was very popular as a pet and for that they were abandoned when people realized how high maintenance they actually are. Humans are trendy creatures, they like trends and when something gets extra attention, people want in on it too. So, it's not really weird if a certain spirit is popular too. I just hope they are seen for who they are. I was determained not to have any kind of sexual spirit, mainly because I don't want to be touched because of my autism. Then my incubus adopted me and he's wonderful. He's mostly in a cat form because thats what i prefer. He has wonderful dark but calming energies and helps me turn anger into creativity and new ideas. He doesnt touch me much at all, a true gentleman. He changed my view on dark arts energies but also what sexual spirits can offer their keeper. They are so much more then what people made me believe.

As it turns out, when you attend a pagan ritual to a love goddess as a guest and are given the opportunity to make a private request of her, she won't mind the fact that you were agnostic at the time nor the fact that you don't even know what you yourself want out of an open-ended ask of "companionship". Things sort of... came to me, after that. I'll just say any reservations I had on an empirical level about the existence of spirits were quickly muffled.

But since then I have come to be blessed in every sort of companionship, not just physically intimate in nature and not just with spirits. I do think there is an increasing trend towards sexual spirits as a result of people losing confidence in their own ability with other humans. All I will say in response to that is I hope they find the right partner who builds them up and cheers on their growth in the way my own have. In our world where everyone is attracted to a "quick fix", the right sexual spirit may be just what helps a person find their own self-worth elsewhere... even if the actual journey takes longer than one might think stepping in.

Vipera aspis atra wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:12 pmI want to know if people who came into this path via succubus/incubus/nympho mate actually take their spirituality seriously, and want to grow in some way, or are just looking for a good time.

It is possible to do both. Denying one the experiences that they can bear witness to in this incarnation of reality is counterproductive in my opinion (as long as that person is not using sex as a distraction or as a band-aid for unresolved trauma.)

I know that some paths state that it is a temptation to sin, but... that's a very religious-trauma related response and I think that when one seriously searches for spiritual fulfillment, they realize that a lot of the work they have to put in is to defuse a lot of conditioned responses that are hampering their development.

For instance, energy working for things like combat or some forms of constructs can be considered child's play sometimes, or outright dangerous to their health (If I recall correctly, there being one organization I was part of for a time having an entire classification system for the various potential threats that certain things "out there" could present. But I digress.) That it is possible to even raise energy at all is something that we can do. We were given the tools to do many things and if we can do good with those things, then there should be no concern.

As for being intimate with a spirit, I do not feel that that's a bad thing in itself... as long as you and the spirit respect boundaries and understand consent, then what is done is their business ultimately.

It is an experience that we have the capacity to have. And if we are here to experience all we can, then denying ourselves this because of social or religious conditioning seems kinda counterproductive to spiritual growth. (the attitudes against it, not the act itself.)

I'm going to be brutally honest. I obviously get that there are members who have a healthy balance in their approach to keeping sex spirits. When I made this thread I noticed two things that still may go on today:

1.) incel-types who can't stand women on the physical realm so surround themselves with a harem of ubi and proclaim that better, all while continuing their vitriol against powerful women in life they don't know how to navigate around.

2.) People that get ubi and then freak out saying their succubus/incubus has gone bad and is attacking them or that they are having strange sexual sensations they dislike and won't stop which they pin on the ubi.

Number 2 has happened even recently. Some people think they want sexual activity and then cannot handle when it happens. If they are dealing with past trauma or repressed sexual identity issues that's serious, but they rarely if ever consider that as a possibility. Another potential is that they are conditioned by religious propaganda to be fearful of sex and ubi in particular and it comes out when they've already gotten themselves too deep. Then there's the possibility that the being using force is a kink for them and they get something more out of it by sharing and describing what they think has happened.

Number 1 was the bigger reason for the thread when I first made it. There were trends, mostly leaning toward the male/masculine people here of keeping a plethora of sex spirits and it seemed to replace any sort of physical sex life, at the same time all they talked about was that and all that they wanted seemed to be that out of spirit-keeping because they never talked about learning any true wisdom from it - which ubi do actually have, as in real wisdom about the realms and existence - they only seemed to like this idea that they were surrounded by beautiful creatures who loved them unconditionally without having to put in any real work. It's like having sex dolls or mail-order brides in my opinion for a lot of these types, while some compare/contrast them with human women to a troubling degree.

I still criticize those people, and I don't think they ever responded here - which makes sense. Lol. I worded the thread the way I did to make it a broader discussion which worked out, there are a lot of interesting views here.

When the servitor obsession on our forum was happening it was similar, a bunch of 'bro' types fawing over being able to create any being they wanted or have it created by one particular seller, treating them as superior to real spirits conjured by actual masters. These servitors could only be made in the creator's image and within the limits of the creator's knowledge and abilities so it was a dubious prospect to me that they were somehow having all of this knowledge and power. It was people playing with their neat gadgets mostly and behaving cliquey. There is obviously a balanced way to view and engage with servitors as well.

Some of the people who are obsessed with ubi still show up so it's more than a trend but an ongoing phenomena. I am a woman who has worked with sexual entities for a long time and believe in healthy sexuality, practice sex magic, etc. In many of these cases featuring succubi - rarely if ever incubi - I try to share my experience and to understand what is going on in peoples' relationships with sexuality because it seems there are a lot of issues.

I'm not judging people that have perfectly reasonable bonds with sexual spirits and a balanced perspective, but a balanced perspective when you can basically order sex via spirit realm - in how enough people think when they get into this - is actually pretty rare based on what I've noticed. Sex sells and sex is a god on this planet, that's not changing any time soon. There are ways to use sex for spiritual awakening/enlightenment via kundalini but I don't see that discussed here very commonly which is too bad.

That's fair and I can understand it. I do also know that there are some out there that are dead set on summoning spirits for purely sexual gratification (without establishing any sort of relationship based on mutual respect and understanding.) I mean, I remember watching on I think it was 4ch there was an eruption of tulpamancers-in-training and some of them were all about wanting their own pet neko-girl or something. I mean, they weren't off on the techniques, but likely the discipline needed to create and maintain some measure of control was lacking.

I just kinda read some of the comments and it reminded me of some of the religious trauma I had to untangle in myself when I started taking my spiritual development seriously. Things like a fear of demons and other spirits that they'd "pollute the soul and doom you to hell" (when I don't think that's even how that works anyway.)

If I were still of that mindset, I would likely have never managed to get to where I am now. My development would likely have been hampered. But I guess this is where hindsight is 20/20.

EDIT: As for the trends... those come and go. Sometimes they will be the light that someone may need to find their way to a more spiritually fulfilling life, or maybe not... but if they don't get that exposure to magic and mysticism, then there's likely not going to be any real spiritual progress for them (which is okay. Not everyone has to walk this kind of path.)

I do get where you're coming from; if people get obsessed only with sexual spirits and lose track of the bigger picture then that is a problem. I can definitely say my experiences starting with sexual spirits have led to my growth as a person and developing a greater empathy for ALL beings (not just those you can have hanky panky with and not just those that have passed), but not everyone will.

If I'm honest though, the bigger concern for me than someone getting a succubus who isn't prepared for it is the number of long-inactive accounts which had MASSIVE reported spirit collections. We all understand that spirit-keeping is meant to be a lifelong commitment regardless of the nature of the being. While breaks are totally understandable, I wonder how many people with multiple hundreds of spirits bound to them have actually put it behind in their lives for good? Whether they no longer believe in it or no longer care. That's probably the thing that keeps me up at night more about the spirit-keeping community. An incel-type, as awful as they can be, at least has the opportunity to "find out" the results of their mindset and actions. One who simply abandons it all after starting never can. And that's a trend that shows no sign of changing, frankly.

venusian_entity wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:01 pm This may be an unpopular opinion, but I believe it is cheating if you engage with sex spirits while having a committed partner, if your partner does not know or consent. Not everyone will be comfortable with such an arrangement. I know I would feel uncomfortable if I found out my partner was collecting a harem of succubi wives. I would be concerned for my own safety as well

I actually do agree with this. These beings are very real. They have emotions and desires and thoughts of their own and satisfying those DOES mean a level of emotional commitment that most people would constitute as a relationship. To willingly hide that from a partner who would not agree to it is disrespectful to them, and I believe can carry repercussions. It's why even though in my human relationships I only choose to have one partner at a time and don't really mesh with the poly "lifestyle" I still choose to call myself poly on any particular platforms where awareness of that fact matters. I was blessed with a partner for 3 years who was open to being told upfront that I am a spirit keeper and have had those experiences even before we started dating and understood that it would still be the case while we were. Took a lot of trust to share that, believe me. As of the last year I'm now "single" as far as human relationships are concerned and could never consider dating someone who wasn't open to poly on principle and ethically informed on that basis.

People could still be keeping without being on the forum ofc, but I can't help but wonder what happened to the ocean of sex spirits from the past. @Redregon I do remember the flood of tulpas being created just because they wanted some kind of sexy unrealistic partner in their life. I wonder how many that were discarded because they had served their purpose. My very first spirit warned me of this community, said they were toxic people and such was my conclusion as well after i had learned what the community really was about. My worst horror of it all was that they encouraged children to use drugs as a shortcut of the creation process.
Humans are sexual beings and always will be. Sex is something that attracts attention and makes money and always have. If sex can be a part of something, people are going to want in on it. Like 10 years ago I had major issues with all the attention for sex that it made me disgusted to my core. I had a hard time making peace with its existence of how much attention it got over the years. Always articles about it in the news and billboards of sexy women in underwear. It felt more like an object, a thing that doesnt require any thought or love. The thought of my incubus in someone elses care that truly doesnt care for his wellbeing makes me feel extremely sad.