Regholdain wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:44 am
Darkwing makes a good point about Magnolia and Ash. Neither are from demonolatry backgrounds. Asking them to clarify is best, but who knows what that answer really represents? It will be their bias reflected.
I would like to say the problem with "Hell Demon" as a name for malevolent demons that possess and require holy water or holy prayer litany to exorcise, is there is already a classification of Hellborn Demons in certain demonosophy circles. These are typically a boisterous and quick to take action bunch, but malevolent is probably not a fit adjective to describe them. This, therefore, is not a very specific name for such beings.
I think what everyone needs to understand is demons are like humans - that is, they can be of any proclivity, and trying to classify a bunch by one set of malevolent descriptions is often a mistake. It's like saying all white people are serial killers. It's more complex than that.
As to my note about "fictional demons", I am trying to say that dealing with demons as a whole via holy water or Lord's Prayer is IN ITSELF a bias and not actual truth. IF that works, and I'm extremely doubtful that it really does, then it's because the demon is absolutely playing with you and will return in force.
The church's "demonic possession" cases were almost always cases of mental or physical illness completely misinterpreted by overzealous pastors or preachers. This is WELL DOCUMENTED. There are many documentaries about this. Unfortunately, this practice is still talked about today and is still often unscientific and misinterpreted by religious people who are not trained doctors or psychiatrists. Worse, exorcism is often carried out by pastors/ preachers who have little training in recognizing such illnesses, but will believe in their religion so strongly that they believe they are helping when, in fact, they are only doing additional psychological or even physical harm.
The bottom line is the "possession" tropes that can be cured via religion, ARE A FICTION. This is mostly from movies like Exorcism and other horror movies that play on the mainly social fear of the supernatural. I mean, be logical. Do you really, honestly believe that an entity far advanced in spiritual awareness, whose races and existence are as old as this planet's creation, cares one bit about pathetic human religions or gods that have NOTHING to do with them? Think about it. These are not beings that were created by a god, they existed before our definition of "god" existed. Many of them are, in fact deities in their own right. They are not something that's only been around since Christian or Jewish or Islamist writings. They've been around a LOT longer.
Is there a classification of demon that can be interpreted as Fallen Angels like the Bible describes? Yes, there is. BUT can you honestly believe that any god has a power over beings that are independent with power of their own? Those specific beings are entities that freed themselves from serving any other power and found power from within. Do you really think paying their former master homage gives power over them? If your intention is to anger them, go right ahead. I mean seriously. Get real. 2000 year old religion versus beings FAR older? Give me a break.
The only REAL power the demons feel during an exorcism is the accidental magic of the individual performing an exorcism, that is THEIR OWN accidental display of banishing ability, NOT power granted by some 2000-year old writings. I think, if you are truly interested in demons, you would do well to examine them on an objective way and not through the lens of religious dogma.
Mostly because I just don't know much about them and what I did hear or read was bad so I did not want anything to do with them... However, the way Magnolia explained is there are many races of fae and some are not bad. So in a way, its kind of similar to "demons" in the sense that one term is used to cover so many different beings and not all are malicious. 
