This are my 2 cents on the matter and no offence, and may be an annex to:
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Now in my view and experience there are many kinds of love. There is even love that we (or at lest 90% of "normal" human population") can't begin to understand of even feel or recreate. Let this lass explain in the first part of this(no offence )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLo1jZA1iVw
Take my experience. I love my spirit Ladies in so many ways:
-I love them as teachers
-I love them as friends
- I love them as the Big older sister that I never had and always wished I had and need (Get that Alabama innuendo out of here, it is not like that
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- I love them as a little kid would idolize something.
There is many ways to describe this kinds of love as describe in above. But I love them more that in that way. I love them LOVE THEM. I love them as a man loves a woman , but is so more than that.... more than human terms in my view...
I love them like a knight would love and adore his lady's / queen and wish to always love and serve and be by there side.
Now ,this (and other relationships similar to my case or different) may mean:
1- It is just a sexual thing? NO! Of course not. Sex is a powerful thing, a good way to show love and affection (among other things, but that is for other study subjects), but love is NOT just about sex! If that was all about that, it was just mechanical pleasure. It no emotions. (I will not go in to details in sex live cause I am gentleman , and privacy and respect is key in all).
One can live love its (or more) paramours and never have sex. One can love the other be space and time away and the love they feel is ever growing and eternal and unconditional.
2-Also , (and no offense) i leave a quote here about what people may consider Femdom or domination relationships.... is more than sex and what you may think
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Here’s the thing. A Domme is not one because she says so. She is one because a submissive has decided that she is worthy of being called Mistress. That’s an important thing to remember and it is terribly disappointing to see submissives being harmed by their Dommes. I do not, and never will, subscribe to that viewpoint. Trust matters and breaking that trust means one does not care about the submissive in the relationship. There is no greater gift than to be given the absolute trust of the other in such a relationship. There are far too many “want to be’s” out there that have harmed many submissives… This never should happen in a loving, positive relationship. In a cherished biding the Dom will know the desires of the submissive and will work to their mutual benefit. it is never a one way relationship and if it is… it’s not worthy.
Just wanting a Mistress (In the thy of Domination or Relation Leader/relationship), or having a Lover(s) to take the lead is not a bad thing, in my view. True respect, consent and understand is always key. This may also come in a way of devotional love.
3- There is many ways of showing love and devotion. In my way and view (again no offense) , it is like a man loves a women(s), but is more then that. The love and devotional level is deep can be compare like a relationship of a Knight serving its Lady´s/ Queens for everything and anything and be there for them and always serve , protect and love them.
Does this degrade me or them? NO. Consent, respect and understanding is always key in everything. Chivalry is not a bad thing. And I am a militaristic Egalitarian and Meritocratic person (in therms of views), do if you one wants to lover and serve the ones they love that way and bout area, and his a way to show love, why not? I know the are capable of taking care of themselves and are more capable of me in many ways, but I still wish to be there for them.
4-Kan this kind of relations may lead to Marriage? Maybe. In my view ,and like in this plane of existence, a person does not need "conventional marriage". A couple can live years and years together it out being married and live side by side and in love. It may consider a kind of marriage or not , depending of the views. Others want to make things official or that have that kind of moment. Do for me , at least for my loves. At the end of the day, knowing that they are ok, that they are safe loved, that I can serve and love them and I am near them and love is flowing (Man I feel more and more like romanticist
) than all is good, is it "peace and heaven". Again understanding and respect is key in everything. "Marriage" as we normal understand as may faces and types, and love and relationships is far more than a "commercial contract" that exists in this day and age (again no offense).
And following that train of thought... I agree it Vipera and other here. Human relationship is important. One, even if what's to focus on its spiritual path must learn to socialize and deal it others. Even hermits must deal it the rest of society from time to time, and tear is no problems in that.
Do I think it is difficult to build a human family, or have human lover and still have a spiritual path , much less a spiritual family because (again no offence):
- About 90% of the human population is not read or wants to deal it that it does not know.
- "Scaremongering"/Fear
-Cultural, Social, Natural , Tribal and "Religius" programing.
-" Wicth fear"
-Be consider a lunny.
- Lack of privacy and time and space to grow and explore
-Drama and short comings.
-etc.
You cant expect a caveman to understand fusion or nuclear science, or a religius fanatic belive or accept realty and experience beyond what he/she/it "belives" it is or must be!
I not saying it impossible for humans, singualar or couples, to have human lovers and family and have spritual lovers and family. But it his hard. Is like a glass of river water in the ocean. It is not impossibel , it is hard. But if you manage such result or find such comunity great!
Balance is key. So is respect, understanding, comunication. Humans are, despait what we se now are days , are still growing.
Perfection does not and will never exist. Existence is not complex but is not simple nither. The world is not just black or whiht. And not everone is the same, despait what "society" mentalty may wish we were.
In clonclusion , and it my experience , views and what i read here....
1- Consent , undesrtanding, and respect is key.
2-There is many kinds of love, sex may be or not a part of it.
3-There are many views and paradims on the matters, is not all beans and jam.
4- There can be a spritual and human live, but one must exercise cautian.
Again no offence to any one, just my 2 cents.
I was raise Catholic, but I am human first and my religion/ philosophy's respect and dignity.
The Emperor Protects
The road is long.... take steps on at a time.... and you will travel to your destination in peace.
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