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Greetings.

This summer I was admitted under the auspices of Freya.
I regularly make offerings to her on Fridays, spread information about her, try to match her.
And I want to develop a relationship with her.
Moreover, it is possible not only as an ordinary devotee with the Goddess, but also as with a beloved.

I really like her.
And I have feelings for her.
But I do not know how I will like her so much that she would become my lover.

I would like to hear your advice in this matter, experience as connected with Freya and possibly with other Goddesses.

I was hoping that DualWanderer3 would tell its story, but unfortunately, for a reason unknown to me, it ignores me in its topic.
So I decided to create a theme here myself.
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I also have thoughts about other Goddesses, but I'm afraid of offending Freya, I'm afraid that she will consider my feelings frivolous if I try to establish connections with them too.

I don't know if I'm right.
But I just really want to please my Goddess.

Sorry for the bad english, it is not my native language.

There are other forum threads about god spouses/ relationships with deities and so on, where this has been discussed. If you google for ' creepy hollows forum god spouse ', a number will come up.

Since nobody else responded I'll give you my best advice; I don't know anything about god spouses but I did get some relationship advice over the years. The best thing you can do is be honest with this deity about what you want and tell her how you feel that you're interested in working with other goddesses as well.

I just want to add that there are some good posts in the threads I mentioned.

For starters if you looked at threads about the pm option it kind of became obsolete from how it was being talked about and even if it wasn't you needed to be at least tentgered or however its spelled to be able to use that option last time I checked which I am but you are not which you can tell by the coloring of the names.And I don't really talk to people and what posts I make and have made are me responding to something I see,me asking a question,or me posting something I feel like posting and even then I look at both feelings and reasoning evenly to decide to post something,If I could add to a threads topic but don't feel like doing so I don't post,I want to post something but are aware the problems that can arise from it or can't figure out how to say it or if I would just be repeating something I've already said a few times on other threads I don't post.Not to mention how if you look at some of my other posts if this doesn't get it across they tend to get really long on some topics even when I try to make it as short as possible but getting the main points across.Even with only little changes over the years it would most likely be a vary,vary long post let alone how it could be as a pm which I never bothered with so I don't know how it would work.

Now with the reason why I didn't say anything after that post out of the way onto actually adding to the topic since like you mention hear I'm the one you wanted input from but let me say this first before anything elts.I am by no means a expert in this field be it with relationships,with immortals,or in this case relationships with immortals.Even after so long I still don't fully understand some things about my relationships with them myself but I just accept it for what it is and trust their words despite how odd it still seems.As well as I never felt like having any relationships with any immortals at all before athena and artimes decided to pay me a visit the first time I interacted with them.When I made that post to begin with it during a stat of uncertainty.Where most of my first time interactions with goddesses went like this.

Me:

Them: hey hun how you doing?

Me: what the,why are you here?

Them: to spend some time with you.Don't you want know me better?You were reading about me.

Me while I'm getting aroused by the situation: well yes but this is not what I had in mind.

Them: don't be shy,I know you like this,just enjoy my company and let me pleasure you.

Me: But isn't this bad to be doing?

Them:theirs nothing to worry about sweetheart,its alright to know me on a personal level,theirs nothing wrong with wanting me.Now just relax and let us have a bit of bonding together,k hun.

Me: ok.

Them: hehe good boy.

Needless to say it was a confusing time with how things were going but even with getting more understanding and with getting some thing from shops which has given me conformation that they are that way to me and is not just in my head so to speak even after they sort of beat the information into my skull beforehand I can't really say why.And at this point you can see what I mean about the length of my post,if you even read that part,since I imagine that most people would just skip to parts they truly care about and don't care about the rest when a post is so long.But anyway all I can speak about to give as advice is just by my experience talking and interacting with immortals and from what I got from this site so whatever I say is what I know and is how I know them to be,including freya,which I have interacted with before even though its not vary often.So if anything is different from how I put things then that's your interaction with her,emphasis on your,because on thing I keep seeing pop up when someone ask how immortals are is that their relationships and personality's are mainly to the individual and not to the masses.

For example I can call a goddess like lilith and the first thing she tends to say in a loving,friendly tone something like"hey hon,you want me to spread my legs or did you call for something elts"where as other people could call her and what they are met with could be like her saying"you better have a good reason for calling me"in a more menacing,serious tone.You could get to know their doctor jackal or their mister hyde or see something elts entirely but what you see is what they want to show to you and whatever someone elts sees is what they show to them.Wether it lines up to your experience or not doesn't really mean vary much what matters is you see and know.But even so their are two things which no matter who your talking with you should have and that is respect and understanding,understanding of who they are and where their point of view comes from and respecting that regardless of your beliefs along with whatever they decide to do or don't do.Now after this wall of text let me say some responses about what your saying.

Anon131313 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:01 am Greetings.

This summer I was admitted under the auspices of Freya.
I regularly make offerings to her on Fridays, spread information about her, try to match her.
And I want to develop a relationship with her.
Moreover, it is possible not only as an ordinary devotee with the Goddess, but also as with a beloved.

I really like her.
And I have feelings for her.
But I do not know how I will like her so much that she would become my lover.

I guarantee you have done more then enough to show how much you like her especially seance I have done nothing other then having a point of view to have her favor and she doesn't have any problem with helping me or just spending time with me out of the blue.I can only imagine how deep of a bond you would have with her after what you've already done for her and how the thread that sparked you to join the site to talk about this has someone mention that people with toughs relationships tend to wind up as their priests or priestess.

Anon131313 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:01 am I also have thoughts about other Goddesses, but I'm afraid of offending Freya, I'm afraid that she will consider my feelings frivolous if I try to establish connections with them too.

After all this time at no point has any of the goddesses I've interacted with including the ones that are the closest to me they never had a problem with me have the same feelings for multiple goddesses.The only real time they had problems with me making a connection with other goddesses as well as other spirits/entities is when they were being more controlling,more forceful of their advances.And the anger was at the uninvited guests not me.Though I have noticed that as accepting of the interactions with other immortals she is athena tends to get a bit haughty when hera and aphrodite are around and gets aggressive in a"hands off my man you &$*#!"kind of way if they show up at and intervene in me doing it with someone already,especially when its her.But despite her lack of hesitation to put a spear to their throats she has on problems with me willingly wanting to interact with them or when the show up when I'm ether not interacting with anybody or when its more out of love and comfort as appose to just having fun.

And lastly just ask and talk with her.I don't know how well you can hear her talk to you if you've even given her a reason to do so but just try and see what happens.If you don't like the answer to the question then that that but considering my interactions with immortals she probably already knows your feelings and may just be politely waiting for you to ask for all we know.If you nervous about saying something to her then fine so was I when I felt like saying anything along those lines to the other goddesses but all they said to me when being nervous was"don't be shy,just tell me whats on your mind,my response to it may surprise you"Corse your not going to know what she says or thinks unless you try asking her right?And that's all I have to say on this.Hope it helps out.And hey,she may even help you be less shy.I wouldn't even be on this site if it wasn't for athena who got me into spirit keeping to begin with which led to me getting the gold dragon that suggested I join the forum.Just a though to think about.

Blessed be

I would be considered a 'godspouse' to at least one deity, although I have to be picky about the term since people use it somewhat differently depending on their definition of the god-human relationship.
I can say that just loving or feeling intimate/affectionate toward a god/dess does not lead to 'godspousery'. The deity dictates the initiation of such a marriage (pact). Sure you could approach them with it, but I wouldn't find that reasonable unless there are obvious grounds for the commitment.
Unless the deity has expressly come to you with that notion, I wouldn't focus on it. Just enjoy your connection with the goddess as it is. If it develops into something more intense there's no way you'd need any further guidance, assistance or direction. You'd undoubtedly know. I mean that.

Also, many gods and goddesses will get..frisky, with those who 'want' them intimately. It's not unusual for deities, sexuality and love are understood uniquely by them. If that happens, it happens, and isn't necessarily regard for a deep investment between a human and said deity. The traditions of the particular pantheon involved also matter here.

DualWanderer3 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:43 am
And lastly just ask and talk with her.I don't know how well you can hear her talk to you if you've even given her a reason to do so but just try and see what happens.

A lot of text is okay.
I write a lot myself.
And I read a lot too.

About to talk.
I am very worried that I am not good at direct communication.
I see more signs and try to compare them, see patterns in meetings with the right people, phrases, some kind of internal responses, feelings.
It is very difficult.
And it's very easy to make mistakes.
I also try to do Tarot and ask people who do Runes. And the general thing that I have learned is that Freya treats me well.
But the results were different when it came to intimate sexual relationships.
Some came out positive, while others negative.
Why should the Goddess tell one that I can have sexual relations with her, and others that I cannot?
However, in other answers the results were similar.

I don't understand why she does this.

And I don't know who exactly to believe me.
In one case, there was a completely amusing result, in the oracle where there was a blank card for all sexual questions, it was this blank card of uncertainty that fell out.

With meditation, I'm not very good at it.
Sometimes I think I just feel her love and support, especially when I'm sick.
But I don't know if it's my feelings for her.

I have good lucid dreaming ability, but she does not come in a dream and dreams rarely appear.
As a result, I don't have so many options for communication, and this oppresses me.
It is very difficult to understand what is true and what is not.

I also found myself in an amazing and difficult situation.
I fell in love with a woman who worships her too and we could be a really amazing couple, but she's married.
And it literally became torture for me, as if I was given love, but left to suffer.
At the same time, meeting with her is not accidental, she is my mentor and a relationship with her would make me much happier.

Why did Freya do this to me?
It would be the greatest gift if she was with me, but she is not with me and I don't know if I can change that in the future.

Also, at times my strange thoughts oppress me.
Thoughts that I can anger the Goddess with something.
These are mainly sexual desires, fantasies, etc. related to her.

DualWanderer3 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:43 am including freya,which I have interacted with before even though its not vary often.

I would be interested to know about your interaction with Freya.
And it's a little embarrassing to ask this, but also about how your sex with her went.
Does anything about sex offend her?
Any thoughts?

And in general, how would she like it?

DualWanderer3 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:43 am athena and artimes

I am in awe of Artemis because I remember how she punishes men for just looking at her.
Therefore, I have always suppressed any thoughts about her, although I found her sexy.
I didn't even think she could choose a mortal before I read your messages.
And now I myself do not know whether to believe you or not.
In any case, suddenly it's true and I should find out.
However, any meetings are not accidental.

Although, to be honest, I feel a bit like jealousy.
After all, if this is true, then you have already had sex with Freya, while I only pray to her and worry about every thought that she would like.
This is somewhat humiliating.
Why am I less worthy, I am literally at her feet.

Are Artemis and Athena not virgin Goddesses now?
Or is their virginity restored? Is it individual in each case?
Have you had children from the Goddesses?
And from Freya too?

Well I can see why a split second visit from freya just to tell me to look at the forum happened.Sigh...like I said it was a confusing time adjusting to the thought when I made the original post and like I said little elts has happened since I made the post.And I still don't entirely get all of their reasoning though even though my words are from experience and what I was told when I asked about the topic with immortals along with what I've gathered from the forum.I rather not type up a biography just to explain the complexity of things and how confusing it is to dwell on which I just stopped doing partly because they wanted me to stop questioning the relationships I had with them and partly because it was giving me headaches trying to rationalize the reasoning but I will try to answer some of the questions without making it to long and just strait to the point so their no words lost,which seems like that may have happened in the first one to keep this short and simple.

Anon131313 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:52 am Why should the Goddess tell one that I can have sexual relations with her, and others that I cannot?

Because it's their choice whether you like it or not.That how kali and lilith put it when I asked them questions along the same lines.

Anon131313 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:52 am Why did Freya do this to me?

I don't know could be a lot of reasons why.

One thing before I continue this.

Anon131313 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:52 am Also, at times my strange thoughts oppress me.
Thoughts that I can anger the Goddess with something.
These are mainly sexual desires, fantasies, etc. related to her.

Is exactly the mindset I had when I wrote the post that started this conversation and what I've learned regarding this,they really don't care about toughs thoughts vary much unless they are ether using toughs thoughts to get closer to you or are purposefully making you feel that way about them.Anyway.

Anon131313 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:52 am 1.I would be interested to know about your interaction with Freya.

I don't interact with her vary much.Despite how meeting them went their are a lot of immortals,entities,and spirits that I've interacted with that after the first few days getting to know them I only see again after like 6 months or so if at all so unless they want to stick around and freya is in the show up out of the blue here and then in the interval I mentioned.She told me that I'm fee to call her for help with magic,advice,having another person to talk to,and yes sex among other things but I really don't call her or feel like doing so.Though that's on of the reasons some like her show up out of the blue at times which is more like checking to see how I'm doing then just to have fun unlike with others.

2.And it's a little embarrassing to ask this, but also about how your sex with her went.

I don't physically feel it that much in the area in general for the time being since I'm awake and still in the physical when it happens but I do feel their energy and touch more during it then at other times and freya is more of a tender,soothing lover that tends to lull me into a comfortable,tranquil stat which at points it just turns to laying together if I'm not really in the mood like a child laying with their mother's embrace,don't go off on a tangent about how that sounds since the relationship with immortals doesn't stick to just one label.

3.Does anything about sex offend her?

No not really,and she shouldn't sense she is mentioned to be a goddess of sex and fertility along with other things.

4.Any thoughts?

She is clearly a warrior to me and like all warriors along with immortals commands respect.She has no trouble showing her gentile side but can still be authoritative and stern in a calm and wise way.

Anon131313 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:52 am And in general, how would she like it?

I don't know if she likes anything in particular but then again it isn't often enough for me to find out but her enjoyment from it seems more love based,which is that instead of feeling lustful when getting aroused the feelings that come with it are heartwarming.At least that's how some members in my keep like my gold dragon describe it.

And this last bit,which Before I say anything on this last part,look,I can Imagine how you feel looking at this part but considering other experiences I've had but I'm just trying to give the information.The post that started this I made because I didn't believe what was going on myself,asking myself if this was really happening or did I just had a twisted perception on the interactions.I know now that it wasn't my mind playing tricks on me but at the time that's how I felt and feeling unworthy of such things.

I didn't chose to have goddesses be this way to me,this just happened,and even so the way it is with freya is how vipera puts it.I can't think of anything elts to say to make things better but I'm not trying to burst your bubble and make you feel bad I'm just trying to give my input on my honest experiences.One of the things I debate on before posting is whether I should say something or not because I feel saying it could end badly,sometimes it seems to go bad when I don't see or feel any problems that can arise.

I saw you ask me to tell you more about my experience and I decided to ignore it at that time but seeing you make this thread because I didn't respond to your post I felt it was right to post what elts I could say to tell more about it and answer your questions.If my decision to open my mouth and say something was the wrong decision,I'm sorry,it just seemed like the right thing to do.

Anon131313 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:52 am I am in awe of Artemis because I remember how she punishes men for just looking at her.
Therefore, I have always suppressed any thoughts about her, although I found her sexy.
I didn't even think she could choose a mortal before I read your messages.

I know.

Although, to be honest, I feel a bit like jealousy.

I don't blame you,I could imagine how some people this day and age would think about a random nobody getting it on with their sacred untainted goddess when it became apparent to thoughts interactions weren't going to stop all thoughts years ago.

Are Artemis and Athena not virgin Goddesses now?
Or is their virginity restored? Is it individual in each case?
Looking at this from the other thread that zero stats

I'd also like to point out that the historical meaning of the word 'virgin' did not mean sexually inexperienced. It meant sexually independent. Meaning, if you were not in a monogamous marriage/relationship (where having relations with someone else is considered cheating and unethical) you were free and fully capable of choosing your sexual endeavors.

hard to say but from my experiences with athena starting out I feel it would be more along these lines and not the more modern term.

Have you had children from the Goddesses?

No I Haven't,As much as they've talked about it and is still mentioned by them with insistence I need to be in the same plane of existence for that to actually happen which would be ether by astral projection or by lucid dreaming neither of which I've managed to properly achieve yet.Though they still insist that its going to happen eventually even if its hard to see how at this point.

Blessed be,Hopefully this doesn't ruin you relationship with her.

Anon131313 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:52 am Although, to be honest, I feel a bit like jealousy.
After all, if this is true, then you have already had sex with Freya, while I only pray to her and worry about every thought that she would like.
This is somewhat humiliating.
Why am I less worthy, I am literally at her feet.

Your jealousy is something to work on, because even if you were to develop a sexual relationship with a goddess, I can assure you that dozens of others are also in a sexual relationship (or claim to be) with that same goddess and you may never have the level of experiences they have.
For that matter, it is not and can never look like a mortal relationship. (I don't care how many 'godspouses' do make it look that way, they are misinterpreting the experience).

You feeling a connection with Freyja of the nature you've mentioned can simply be because she's well known as a goddess of sex and love. That is part of her defining energy. It is what nearly everyone is going to feel or recognize on some level when interacting with her. So having these feelings for the goddess and thinking about her in that light is completely normal.

However, you basing your worth on whether or not a goddess wants to have sex with you is ignorant and disrespectful.
It sounds so much like your prayer and devotion to the goddess is something you do expecting for the reward of sex and love and attention from her, and that's not how honoring a goddess works.
You should be making these offerings and devotions because you genuinely care about her and wish to honor her. Because you haven't formed a pact of any sort, there isn't any reciprocity that is assured to take place.
She could be giving SO much to you and you may be overlooking it because it isn't what you want (a sexual relationship), and if that continues you could lose her favour in your life for good. Be wise here, learn something about yourself from this experience.

And I must add on that note that the reason a goddess like her would bring you to fall in love with a married woman you cannot have, is also an experience which is probably intended to bring you growth. It is having you recognize the kind of qualities you're interested in and want in a woman, to contemplate what you really value. This awareness aids you ultimately in meeting the right one for you. If anything I'd take this as her trying to guide you to find love.

All of the conflict you're experiencing is solely about your limited perspective in approaching this situation. I can tell there is unresolved damage to your confidence and awareness that you may only ever notice when it is reflected to you through certain situations, but it does not start with those situations --it comes from somewhere else. The only way to resolve things which are going on around you or outside of your control, is to look at and work on you. When you're happy with yourself as an individual, then you'll be ready for love to come into your life. Real love cannot easily make its way to you until you value yourself.

Vipera aspis atra wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:08 am I would be considered a 'godspouse' to at least one deity, although I have to be picky about the term since people use it somewhat differently depending on their definition of the god-human relationship.
I can say that just loving or feeling intimate/affectionate toward a god/dess does not lead to 'godspousery'. The deity dictates the initiation of such a marriage (pact). Sure you could approach them with it, but I wouldn't find that reasonable unless there are obvious grounds for the commitment.
Unless the deity has expressly come to you with that notion, I wouldn't focus on it. Just enjoy your connection with the goddess as it is. If it develops into something more intense there's no way you'd need any further guidance, assistance or direction. You'd undoubtedly know. I mean that.

Also, many gods and goddesses will get..frisky, with those who 'want' them intimately. It's not unusual for deities, sexuality and love are understood uniquely by them. If that happens, it happens, and isn't necessarily regard for a deep investment between a human and said deity. The traditions of the particular pantheon involved also matter here.

That is, sex is separate, relationships are separate?

I just want more love and tenderness.
Do I want so much?

And I don't even deserve to just dream of her.
While others deserve many times more.
Hence the jealousy, fatigue, pain.

I no longer have the usual human jealousy as before.
I worked it out very seriously.
Rather, now I have "polyamorous jealousy" when I just have a feeling that other partners mean everything, and I mean nothing.
And this is what hurts me, not the fact that she has a lot of sex and partners.
This is just fine.
She is a Goddess and she embodies freedom, including sexual freedom, I should be proud of her freedom.

But it hurts me that I have no place in all this.
That I am like a less beloved lover or a child.

And this applies not only to the sexual issue.
I wouldn't suffer like this if it was just that.
But in fact it seems to me that others have more dreams, visions, any contact with her.
And I seem to mean less to her.

But I am humble even if I am.
I just serve her the best I can.
I just try to be of benefit to her, to become worthier.

I just didn't think that serving the Goddess would be associated with such feelings.
I thought that there would be only joy, a feeling of her love and care.
After all, she is so good and kind.
I see in her not only sexuality, but also kindness, mercy.

That's why it hurts so much.
After all, suddenly I'm very bad. If she decides to do something harder to me.
She's not evil, she's doing the right thing, which means it's me.

And it's not just about sex.
I would like affection, dreams, communication ..
Why do I deserve it less than others.

And yes, I know my motives must be pure.
I'm sure they are clean.
Despite the fact that I have many desires, the main thing is sincerity and I have it.

It's just that it's hard for me.
Although I know that the Goddess is good and I should just serve her.

And I try to do everything right.