Creepy Hollows Bindings, Rebindings, etc

[Astraea Selene]

Thank you @Magnolia for your reply. So master vessel was mentioned here in your post. I wonder if non CH practisoner can bind spirits and spells into my CH master vessels successfully without having any issues of the Masters vessels clocking protection?
Usually they ask for a picture and I did send a picture of my CH MV to use for they bindings.

[souldeep91]

Thank you for that reply Magnolia.
It definitely helps understand what CH does to protect their customers and the spirits/entities that were bound by CH if ever an unbinding becomes requested or necessary.
I'm curious about one thing.
You said:
"If anything were to happen to us, we have instructions for providing, publicly, unbinding instructions for our bindings."
I understand from this that so far there are no public unbinding instructions available for buyers.
Is that because as long as Ash and you are capable of practicing Magic, you prefer to do an unbinding of a customers binding yourself upon their wish (over your customers doing it for themselves)?
Or is that to protect your (un)binding technique from other sellers who could try to copy you, or -without your consent- offer rebindings/unbindings of your work?

I could imagine it's both, but could as well be wrong.

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On another note:
Interesting question regarding the master vessel Astraea Selene!

[Seraphina Beryl]

My solution has been to just send a picture of a blank vessel to the non-ch conjurer for a distance binding. Then just copy it over to the ch Master vessel. There is less shuffling involved this way also.

[Magnolia]

Thank you @Magnolia for your reply. So master vessel was mentioned here in your post. I wonder if non CH practisoner can bind spirits and spells into my CH master vessels successfully without having any issues of the Masters vessels clocking protection?
Usually they ask for a picture and I did send a picture of my CH MV to use for they bindings.

Yes, and no. Yes, if a practitioner chooses to do remote bindings then they would be binding to the vessel only. There would be no actual Master Vessel benefits included on third party bindings at all. They wouldn't be on the proper Master Vessel, just the physical vessel.

You would need to use the instructions for the Master Vessel to move the bindings from the third party to your proper Master Vessel. Otherwise, it remains an outskirt binding.

My solution has been to just send a picture of a blank vessel to the non-ch conjurer for a distance binding. Then just copy it over to the ch Master vessel. There is less shuffling involved this way also.

Correct, you would need to do the proper protocol/instructions to add a third party binding to the proper Master Vessel for all its benefits.

[Magnolia]

Thank you for that reply Magnolia.
It definitely helps understand what CH does to protect their customers and the spirits/entities that were bound by CH if ever an unbinding becomes requested or necessary.
I'm curious about one thing.
You said:
"If anything were to happen to us, we have instructions for providing, publicly, unbinding instructions for our bindings."
I understand from this that so far there are no public unbinding instructions available for buyers.
Is that because as long as Ash and you are capable of practicing Magic, you prefer to do an unbinding of a customers binding yourself upon their wish (over your customers doing it for themselves)?
Or is that to protect your (un)binding technique from other sellers who could try to copy you, or -without your consent- offer rebindings/unbindings of your work?

I could imagine it's both, but could as well be wrong.

Simple, it's because we've been doing this for over 20 years, the methodologies and practices related to our bindings have changed over time. We like to do it ourselves because we know which methods and techniques we were using at any given time.

That goes for all of our bindings. Right now, we're in the 3rd overhaul of our entire catalog, now adding Cast Yourself options for many of the spells.

Even with our own bindings, we have to know how something was bound at any given time to be sure the unbinding is complete and effective.

[Magnolia]

We tend to stay in our microcosm here, and I was wondering why this topic resurfaced and after a quick search on Etsy of unbinding spirits, I see why. God, any and all of them, save the community, because the absolutely disgusting volume of misinformation and dangerous BS on Etsy is going to have a long-lasting and irreversible detriment to the entire Spirit/Entity Keeping community. There is absolutely no sense of responsibility in the majority of the listings advertising the ability to unbind. No one is telling potential customers that if you attempt to unbind something that has been bound with protective measures in place, what could happen to you for tampering with the binding. That is a worse-case scenario, but if you don't think it exists, think again. These unbinding sigils, guides, spells, rituals, etc. are assuming the best-case scenario, which is a practitioner who did things loosely and openly in a way it can be unbound by anyone. They are not accounting for those who deal in the Black Arts who will feel someone trying to tamper with, or undo their work, without their consent will suffer a consequence. I really have no words, other than to say I feel extremely sorry that the Spirit Keeping spiritual path has been become so disrespected that the words have no meaning anymore. The standards, cannon, truth, and facts are being stripped away for the sake of Etsy and eBay shops to mass-create listings. There is no heart, love or passion for the craft. There is no responsibility to tell someone what could happen or even lay out a scenario of what will happen.

I'm not kidding or even being remotely ironic, tongue-in-cheek or passive at all. This is serious. The misinformed and ignorant listings are going to destroy the bedrock and foundation of what Spirit Keeping is. You can see it because they don't even understand what Spirit Keeping is. I really feel sorry for the entire community, even moreso than 20 years ago during the last influx of fly-by-night sellers/shops. Because, now you have AI rapidly creating and distributing false and dangerous information at an even greater pace.

Funny, we started this site, not the Forum or anything else, just a basic html webpage website to inform people about what Spirit Keeping is - defining it, helping others understand it and what it means, and creating a safe space for education. You'd think after 20 years the unshakeable truths would have taken root and endured. Instead, AI and marketplaces like Etsy will undo the truths to the lifestyle and spiritual path, and eventually ruin it for everyone new. Those of us who know what is, and have been doing it a long time, will succeed and fair well within our own paths.

Those who do absolutely no research and navigate the insane circus that is in the marketplaces like Etsy, eBay, etc. They'll never know, they'll never have any meaningful or lasting genuine experience that really means something and gives them an experience and relationship with spirit or entity companions. This is why I don't go looking through the marketplaces, it breaks my soul every time. Not to say there aren't genuine practitioners, but the volume of people who have zero clue what Spirit Keeping actually is, is startling and cause for real concern.

We will probably start purchasing and downloading all these guides on there for Spirit Keeping. If they are AI regenerations of our guides and posts here, we'll start filing legal complaints with Etsy. The last thing we want is our work being bastardized to spread misinformation.

[Astraea Selene]

Wow ... Okay , thank you .
I am glad I double checked this, Magnolia.
Thanks for the clue Seraphina.
This is vital info concerning the MV & distance bindings from NON-CH practitioners.

Thank you @Magnolia for your reply. So master vessel was mentioned here in your post. I wonder if non CH practisoner can bind spirits and spells into my CH master vessels successfully without having any issues of the Masters vessels clocking protection?
Usually they ask for a picture and I did send a picture of my CH MV to use for they bindings.

Yes, and no. Yes, if a practitioner chooses to do remote bindings then they would be binding to the vessel only. There would be no actual Master Vessel benefits included on third party bindings at all. They wouldn't be on the proper Master Vessel, just the physical vessel.

You would need to use the instructions for the Master Vessel to move the bindings from the third party to your proper Master Vessel. Otherwise, it remains an outskirt binding.

My solution has been to just send a picture of a blank vessel to the non-ch conjurer for a distance binding. Then just copy it over to the ch Master vessel. There is less shuffling involved this way also.

Correct, you would need to do the proper protocol/instructions to add a third party binding to the proper Master Vessel for all its benefits.

[souldeep91]

Yes, and no. Yes, if a practitioner chooses to do remote bindings then they would be binding to the vessel only. There would be no actual Master Vessel benefits included on third party bindings at all. They wouldn't be on the proper Master Vessel, just the physical vessel.

You would need to use the instructions for the Master Vessel to move the bindings from the third party to your proper Master Vessel. Otherwise, it remains an outskirt binding.

"This is vital info concerning the MV & distance bindings from NON-CH practitioners."
I absolutely agree.
Maybe this info could even be added to your MasterVessel Info txt, if it isn't already in there, but from memory I would say it's not.

I'm with Magnolia on the etsy topic:
Scrolling on etsy is indeed a wild ride. Alone the amount of sellers who sell Demons, Demon Armies and Pacts/Soul Contracts with BA beings is insane. I always think to myself that the vast majority of them either sells things they are not capable of conjuring (just taking the money without returning a service). Or those people are simply madly insane, because they do something (with more or less success) of which they very likely don't understand the full consequences - selling it to people who (obviously?) don't understand the consequences at all.

[Magnolia]

Maybe this info could even be added to your MasterVessel Info txt, if it isn't already in there, but from memory I would say it's not.

I can check to see if it's in there and add it, however, if you have to use the instructions to add bindings to your Master Vessel, then it would stand to reason that someone else could not add something to your Master Vessel unless they have possession of your Master Vessel and are also following the instructions to add a binding(s).

[souldeep91]

I can check to see if it's in there and add it, however, if you have to use the instructions to add bindings to your Master Vessel, then it would stand to reason that someone else could not add something to your Master Vessel unless they have possession of your Master Vessel and are also following the instructions to add a binding(s).

I respectfully disagree.
A customer would not necessarily know how to bind anything to any vessel (incl. a mastervessel) by himself, without an instruction. And they would know about their own limitation. However, they might very well think that every seasoned practitioner, who generally knows how to bind bindings to vessels, would be able to bind a spell to whatever vessel you give them a picture of. Which could be a CH master vessel.
Hence, I believe adding the info to the txt document that other practitioners can only bind their spells to the CH physical master vessel, but the customer themself must transfer the binding onto the "innate mastervesselness" to have the binding use the CH master vessel's energies, is not in vain, but a practical thing to do.