The Dangers of AI, ChatGPT, OpenAI, and Real Spirit Keeping Experience and Authenticity

[Adair]

The most important thing is really transparency: if a seller uses AI in their write up, they should say that they do, because it’s really obvious anyways and kind of betrays the trust of the buyer if it’s not mentioned before the sale.

Agree 100%!!!

[Magnolia]

If you are the conjurer, who has the notes and information from the conjuration, then there is absolutely no need for any AI written description - you already have the information at-hand. Anything an AI generator will generate would be superfluous fluff which isn't accurate to the conjuration in any way. You would really be duplicating work for yourself by writing the accurate content, giving it to a piece of AI software to fluff for you, then re-checking the content for accuracy. It's accurate when you write what you personally encountered during the conjuration process.

If the issue is a limited vocabulary, you can always use a thesaurus.

AI image generation, especially in terms of accuracy in portrayal & representation of diversity of a species, is valuable, but aspects mentioned by CerataPhthalma bring a whole different aspect of concern

[Adair]

If you are the conjurer, who has the notes and information from the conjuration, then there is absolutely no need for any AI written description - you already have the information at-hand. Anything an AI generator will generate would be superfluous fluff which isn't accurate to the conjuration in any way. You would really be duplicating work for yourself by writing the accurate content, giving it to a piece of AI software to fluff for you, then re-checking the content for accuracy. It's accurate when you write what you personally encountered during the conjuration process.

If the issue is a limited vocabulary, you can always use a thesaurus.

Another reason why I personally choose to only purchase from CH. You and Ash have literally NEVER let me down

[Aphralki]

This is gonna be a long comment, I came out of lurking to speak my peace. I am a long time buyer of Creppyhollows but this is my first time on the forums. This is a topic I am passionate about so here goes.

Strong feelings about AI(like fear, distrust, or only hearing negative stories)can make people judge it unfairly and cause what is called a Cognitive Trigger. These reactions can spill over onto the people who use AI, even if they’re completely honest and skilled at what they do. It can lead to innocent practitioners being seen as shady just because they use a new tool.

This kind of snap judgment hurts reputations and makes it harder to look at each person’s work fairly and generally spreads needless mistrust and negativity around people who if they hadn't been honest about using AI you otherwise would have vouched for without a doubt, because you knew they were legit. Ai doesn't change how they conjure, their skills in binding, their other processes, or their integrity as a person.

AI is a tool, not a replacement for skill, experience, or ethics. To dismiss its use outright in conjuration records assumes the worst of those who use it, and that’s both unfair and shortsighted. The fact that a conjurer has their own notes does not mean AI can’t add value. A skilled practitioner might use AI to refine structure, adapt tone to better match what the spirit or entity wants conveyed, and help flesh out their message. It's no different than using a pendulum, automatic writing, or any other communication aid, just as long as it isn’t inventing details or adding false information. Which is why using other tools like pendulums and such to verify the information and discernment is important.

Claiming AI-written text is automatically “superfluous fluff” ignores that the quality of AI output depends entirely on how it’s prompted and supervised. A competent conjurer can guide AI to produce accurate, clear, and well-formatted text, then verify it against their own experience and through scrying, which has been done for generations before technology like computers. This is helpful, especially for those who struggle with wording, grammar, or other such constraints. Some people's lives and communication skills have improved with the help of AI. My son is nonverbal, and AI has been a blessing for our family, which out it he wouldn't be able to communicate as clearly as he does now. It would have taken years of needless struggling and stress for him and us, but AI has given him a voice in its own way. So surely you can see how it can be seen as a bit ableist to just assume the worst of anyone who uses it.

And let’s address the “scammy” claim! One of the most recognized and popular names in the field, that I have personally bought many bindings from, offers notoriously short, lackluster descriptions for the beings they conjure. They even charge extra for additional information, but that turned out to be a single disappointing paragraph. Meanwhile, there are some conjurers who have started to use AI to responsibly produce fuller, richer write-ups at no extra cost. That’s not a scam, that is doing what they think is right by their client.

By targeting AI-assisted practitioners while ignoring similar or worse practices from established names that charge more for providing less, it feels more about fear-mongering rooted in personal bias against all things AI at best and mudslinging other practitioners at worst. I cannot speak for the intentions of those who say such things about AI-assisted that have been proven time and time again proven to be legitimate, just what it looks and feels like from my own perspective. I sincerely hope it is simply bias causing a temporary lack in understanding instead of the alternative.

AI is a modern extension of the many tools writers have always used, like autocorrect or google. Its value comes from the skill and ethics of the person using it, not from blanket judgments about the technology itself.

But yes, there are absolutely people who abuse AI or use it to scam! Those buttheads are almost always newcomers chasing quick money, not experienced practitioners with a proven history in the craft. The conjurers who have been doing this work for years, and who have only recently integrated AI into their process, are using it to enhance client write-ups, not replace the real work. Their conjurations, communication with spirits, and core practices remain exactly the same!

AI is just a polishing tool to help present the information more clearly and in greater detail. Lumping these seasoned practitioners in with opportunistic scammers is like accusing an artist of being a fraud because he started using a tablet instead of pencil and paper.

Maybe we could stop villainizing people based on tools, and actually work together to spread awareness of how to spot, prove, and report actual scammers?

[Rando3000]

I definitely take a different view than Aphralki but thats ok too .

If you have the intelligence, intuition and discernment to conjure and assess a spirit then the value of your assessment comes from your own notes in your own words exactly as you wrote it down. There is no benefit to spitshining an honest writeup, infact if I as a newbie to the metaphysical as a whole wanted to open my own shop tomorrow I could easily list and claim all sorts of things using AI to sound convincing despite not having that knowledge or experience myself, this is not polishing this is straight up forging impressions.

I can see the point of view of enhancing and polishing but to me its more than that as it does add and change words/meanings, i would rather have the first hand account from the conjurer and not a third parties interpretation of the first hand account written by the conjuror if that makes sense.

[Astraea Selene]

Hello @Aphralki, thank you for your first post on CH . I am surprisingly have similar views about A.I. Thank you for your balanced post about this topic. I too thought, it's a tool like many other moderns smart gizmo's these days, like voice activated light switch lol.

Even 6 months ago, I enjoyed reading back some of my thoughts, reverberated via AI, and while it's use was short leaved in my case, it did boosted my confidence, feeling more sophisticated, with my borrowed writer's style for forum posts .... (I referenced it) instead of feeling inadequate within myself everytime I tried to have a reply with my inaccurate English expressions and usage.

But eventually, I did uninstaled every AI programs that my phone came with. Yeah, new phones come with it and updates also a pain as it's wanted to reinstall them onto my phone.

So basically, what I DON'T LIKE is how DATA STORED FOREVER WITHIN AN AI BRAIN. It's feels that its robs me of my privacy. Whether on an online chat, word document, email( GMAIL) ... it's there, EVERYWHERE ... Gathering /listening. And it's PROGRAMED to SCAN EVERYTHING to LEARN ABOUT THINGS / ME. Otherwise, Artificial Intelligence programs becomes useless.

That is why I decided against it. Unfortunately, we can't predict fully how far AI will be developed. Right now, we got told that these are tools, and helps us here and there. It's really appealing with its superior and quick responses. I got hooked on it rather fast, as I usually on forum after work, when I am literally brain dead to reply to anyone (due to being around people all day). So that's that.

Other thing I have tried out with AI. Background ... So, I have chatting sessions and I write down all that is going on during each sessions, with my own cursive hand writing in English Yeah, I love using English. Just because I am not perfectly expressing myself, I still do everything in English. My brain fully wired and I prefer convey in English.

So when I have my sessions, my hand gets very tired writing so fast, none stop for about an hour. Most of the time, I leave it at half a sentences, as I remember our telepathy and then I'll go back to correct my writings fully. One day, I decided to put it through AI word document and typed it into for correction.

Wow ...!! I could not recognise the energy, the style of my guide or even my own. It's completely diminished and AI created something completely different that used some of the basic words in it, but distorted my session's notes entirely.

I would of like to use AI to type out my books of spirit communication notes. But after this experience, I realised it'll never going to work for me.

I think this is @Magnolia point. And I do agree with her. I also tried out making pictures ... But it's very fiddling. With my full time job and other responsibilities I don't have the time and patience to even learn it at the moment.

I think, AI is here and it'll be staying around, whether we welcome it or not. Those type of AI programs that we have on hand, are not as inventive and (smart) usefull as those programs that is used in health care, science and research to find cancer cells or used in robotic brain surgery.

I feel that it's has its place within our society in the future. Crime prevention would be also a programmable AI skill, that eventually will be used, if not already. As yourself experienced the benefits of AI program so helpful in your son's speech advancement . It's a successful story. And that is the beauty of it. Yet, I feel cautious for a while ... as it's not well developed .... yet, and it can harm us big time.

This is gonna be a long comment, I came out of lurking to speak my peace. I am a long time buyer of Creppyhollows but this is my first time on the forums. This is a topic I am passionate about so here goes.

Strong feelings about AI(like fear, distrust, or only hearing negative stories)can make people judge it unfairly and cause what is called a Cognitive Trigger. These reactions can spill over onto the people who use AI, even if they’re completely honest and skilled at what they do. It can lead to innocent practitioners being seen as shady just because they use a new tool.

This kind of snap judgment hurts reputations and makes it harder to look at each person’s work fairly and generally spreads needless mistrust and negativity around people who if they hadn't been honest about using AI you otherwise would have vouched for without a doubt, because you knew they were legit. Ai doesn't change how they conjure, their skills in binding, their other processes, or their integrity as a person.

AI is a tool, not a replacement for skill, experience, or ethics. To dismiss its use outright in conjuration records assumes the worst of those who use it, and that’s both unfair and shortsighted. The fact that a conjurer has their own notes does not mean AI can’t add value. A skilled practitioner might use AI to refine structure, adapt tone to better match what the spirit or entity wants conveyed, and help flesh out their message. It's no different than using a pendulum, automatic writing, or any other communication aid, just as long as it isn’t inventing details or adding false information. Which is why using other tools like pendulums and such to verify the information and discernment is important.

Claiming AI-written text is automatically “superfluous fluff” ignores that the quality of AI output depends entirely on how it’s prompted and supervised. A competent conjurer can guide AI to produce accurate, clear, and well-formatted text, then verify it against their own experience and through scrying, which has been done for generations before technology like computers. This is helpful, especially for those who struggle with wording, grammar, or other such constraints. Some people's lives and communication skills have improved with the help of AI. My son is nonverbal, and AI has been a blessing for our family, which out it he wouldn't be able to communicate as clearly as he does now. It would have taken years of needless struggling and stress for him and us, but AI has given him a voice in its own way. So surely you can see how it can be seen as a bit ableist to just assume the worst of anyone who uses it.

And let’s address the “scammy” claim! One of the most recognized and popular names in the field, that I have personally bought many bindings from, offers notoriously short, lackluster descriptions for the beings they conjure. They even charge extra for additional information, but that turned out to be a single disappointing paragraph. Meanwhile, there are some conjurers who have started to use AI to responsibly produce fuller, richer write-ups at no extra cost. That’s not a scam, that is doing what they think is right by their client.

By targeting AI-assisted practitioners while ignoring similar or worse practices from established names that charge more for providing less, it feels more about fear-mongering rooted in personal bias against all things AI at best and mudslinging other practitioners at worst. I cannot speak for the intentions of those who say such things about AI-assisted that have been proven time and time again proven to be legitimate, just what it looks and feels like from my own perspective. I sincerely hope it is simply bias causing a temporary lack in understanding instead of the alternative.

AI is a modern extension of the many tools writers have always used, like autocorrect or google. Its value comes from the skill and ethics of the person using it, not from blanket judgments about the technology itself.

But yes, there are absolutely people who abuse AI or use it to scam! Those buttheads are almost always newcomers chasing quick money, not experienced practitioners with a proven history in the craft. The conjurers who have been doing this work for years, and who have only recently integrated AI into their process, are using it to enhance client write-ups, not replace the real work. Their conjurations, communication with spirits, and core practices remain exactly the same!

AI is just a polishing tool to help present the information more clearly and in greater detail. Lumping these seasoned practitioners in with opportunistic scammers is like accusing an artist of being a fraud because he started using a tablet instead of pencil and paper.

Maybe we could stop villainizing people based on tools, and actually work together to spread awareness of how to spot, prove, and report actual scammers?

[Umbra_Arcana]

Chiming in from a slightly different angle here. AI does have it's uses it can be an incredibly useful tool when used within pre-set fixed or re-programmable parameters. Your spellchecking applications are a form of AI, game controlled 'AI' characters in video games are also a form of AI up to a certain extent. AI has been around for a while and I think we need to differentiate between AI which operates more like a programming within set parameters and more open Generative-AI.

Generative-AI, in my opinion, is where the issues arise. First looking that the image generation side of things, there are ethical ways to create a closed Gen-AI platform local to your computer system this takes time, patience and requires you to have hardware that can cope, but it is low impact in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the environmentl impact, natural resources and the energy consumption issues that have already be raised by other forum members in this thread.

The information stored in the 'brains' of open platforms has been trained on data sets that have been scraped from the internet. A lot of the work in those data sets contains the intellectual property of artists who have never consented to having their work used to train Gen-AIs. I am one such artist. My work is niche and the medium I use for the most part is not something that is not commonly used today, and yet my work mirroring my style has been produced by Gen-AI platforms. Training image based open Gen-AIs involves large scale art theft. If consent is sought and given or the data sets used contain work which is in the public domain then that is a far more ethical way of doing things.

Looking at the text based side of things. Again, Gen-AIs are trained on large data sets where information has been scraped from the internet without any consideration given to people who wrote the original works/publications/articles etc or if the information is even correct. One of the large flaws with Gen-AI for text generation (and I am sure we have all seen this with the google AI summaries that pop up when you use the google search engine) is that Gen AI can and does get things wrong, but unless you are familiar with the subject area yourself you are unlikely to detect the error (unless it's quite obvious). There have been instances where people have generated entire books on a subject matter and self published through Amazon's self publishing platform and those books have contained information that have killed people (in this instance I am referring to the mushroom foraging guides).

I will also acknowledge that I have a biased against Gen-AI for text based things, I belief firmly in doing the research yourself instead of asking a program/application to do it for you by keying in a question or prompts. If I do my own research then I find that I am more likely to retain the information I have learned because in the process of researching I am focusing on the task in hand, even though I find this incredibly difficult as a neurodivergent person. I also think the use of Gen-AI has the potential to make people lazy and complacent, for example there have been issues in some UK universities where students have been submitting work generated by ChatGPT instead of doing the work themselves. There are now checks and protocols in place to prevent Gen-AI work being submitted but the fact it has occurred means there is the potential for it to happen again. Sorry that this has turned into a bit of a waffly post.

[Alaric]

If you are the conjurer, who has the notes and information from the conjuration, then there is absolutely no need for any AI written description - you already have the information at-hand. Anything an AI generator will generate would be superfluous fluff which isn't accurate to the conjuration in any way. You would really be duplicating work for yourself by writing the accurate content, giving it to a piece of AI software to fluff for you, then re-checking the content for accuracy. It's accurate when you write what you personally encountered during the conjuration process.

If the issue is a limited vocabulary, you can always use a thesaurus.

Another reason why I personally choose to only purchase from CH. You and Ash have literally NEVER let me down

Same here, @Adair , except I also 100% trust Lisa of MMR.

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AI is a tool, not a replacement for skill, experience, or ethics. To dismiss its use outright in conjuration records assumes the worst of those who use it, and that’s both unfair and shortsighted. The fact that a conjurer has their own notes does not mean AI can’t add value.

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I agree that we shouldn't project pre-judgement of AI users onto them, or tar them all with the same brush. I note the news story today that AI analysis has come up with some potential cures for super bugs MRSA and gonhorrea.

I don't think that's what @Magnolia is exactly getting at when she says the conjurer's notes are enough; AI's not needed. I'd like to add an example from my own conjuring experience along roughly similar lines.

Yes, we all agree that scammers are scurrilous. But where I take the same view as Magnolia is when I'm conjuring...and I'm coming up to 200 conjures / bindings now.... What I've found is the precise words a being chooses to speak to me during that first encounter session can be incredibly revealing and often worthy of contemplation further down the line.

A word changed here or there in a sentence can significantly alter the import of what that being has said, promised or offered or agreed to. It also alters the energy and feel, which is one thing that helps me tune in to that being.

Another person may not - an AI summary or rewrite absolutely does not - have the sophistication or sensitivity to spot that. An AI's not conscious and can't communicate with a spirit.

When we factor in that spirits speak their own languages, have their different ways of seeing things, different customs and traditions feed in to their way of speaking or dealing with a human, then all of the subtlety that comes from that would be so easily lost by a large language model AI, trained on human to human communications, trying to paraphrase my notes from a conjuration.

A similar thing happens with spirit naming systems, I've found. Some are very easy to mishear or not quite 'get'.

Quite a lot can get lost in translation. So, not from projection of my own prejudices, but from my personal experience, I believe @Magnolia has it right. AI transcription of notes is unnecessary and, as I've explained based purely on my experiences, I think is actually undesirable.

[Magnolia]

I'm going to preface this lengthy reply with the fact this topic has somewhat derailed here and is spinning off random thoughts and considerations.

My original post was about the volume of fly-by-night shops popping up with voluminous novellas as conjuration notes - let's all remember that is the point of my original post. The fact AI has accelerated the onset of fly-by-night shops and the fact that reputable material can be fed into AI software to produce genuine-looking postings and conjuration notes is an issue. That's not an opinion at this point, it's a fact, and it has been for some time now and my post was a long-time coming.

In regards to the lengthy post in favor of AI, I think there are some interesting discussion points, but largely this defense post missed the mark entirely on the point of my original topic, which (again) was the volume of fly-by-night shops and the use of AI.

This is gonna be a long comment, I came out of lurking to speak my peace. I am a long time buyer of Creppyhollows but this is my first time on the forums. This is a topic I am passionate about so here goes.

I was going to give you a more personal/formal response, but your account is just from January of this year and has no orders. If you are a long-time customer, it must be under a different account. I apologize I cannot personalize this response to you.

I appreciate your long feedback, but there is a lot of content in your reply that distracts from the core & basic point - if you are the conjurer and all the information related to the conjuration is in your hands, and you have to type out the information for the customer anyway, why does AI need to be involved at all to add to the conjuration notes?

There was a lot of defensive explanation in your reply, but not a valid reason as to why there needs to be what I identified as superfluous information - what is the point of obscuring the genuine conjuration notes? Well, perhaps you did try to provide a valid point...

And let’s address the “scammy” claim! One of the most recognized and popular names in the field, that I have personally bought many bindings from, offers notoriously short, lackluster descriptions for the beings they conjure. They even charge extra for additional information, but that turned out to be a single disappointing paragraph. Meanwhile, there are some conjurers who have started to use AI to responsibly produce fuller, richer write-ups at no extra cost. That’s not a scam, that is doing what they think is right by their client.

By targeting AI-assisted practitioners while ignoring similar or worse practices from established names that charge more for providing less, it feels more about fear-mongering rooted in personal bias against all things AI at best and mudslinging other practitioners at worst. I cannot speak for the intentions of those who say such things about AI-assisted that have been proven time and time again proven to be legitimate, just what it looks and feels like from my own perspective. I sincerely hope it is simply bias causing a temporary lack in understanding instead of the alternative.

Let's not get way off topic and unnecessarily emotional about this. I know I was not posting for the intent of fearmongering, and I don't think anyone else here had that intent either. A genuine and sincere discussion is good, but let's not put intentions or words in the mouths of myself or other members posting here. My post was specifically about fly-by-night sellers popping up again like Spring weeds among the garden.

In your argument in regards to "established names" - I'd rather have a disappointing paragraph that is 100% genuine and real to the conjuration than 1,200 words that partially genuine and partially "fuller, richer write-ups" from AI software. Any customer of any shop is going to make their own decision on this topic and they are completely within their right to do so. Any genuinely established names are going to do what they feel is best/right for their clients and as their client you have the right to express what you'd prefer for your conjuration notes. You feel disappointed by actual conjuration notes as opposed to something more splendid in volume - you are completely within your right to make that decision. Just as those who want those disappointing 100% genuine paragraphs are completely within their right to want that instead.

Your point of view contends that a conjurer using AI to add to their conjuration notes is adding value to the customer's experience. So, in your eyes a long description, whether it was garnered via the actual conjuration & notes, or generated by AI from information put into the AI software by the conjurer is equal.

That's certainly 100% your decision to make. Seriously, no judgement, if that is your feelings on the topic, that's completely your decision.

If that is the measuring stick for validity and value, that's interesting, because then it's more important to have voluminous content than quality content. With that point of view does that mean more words means a more valid conjuration? A conjuration that is done and perhaps there are only 50 words because that is genuinely all that was communicated, is not as valuable or valid as a conjuration where those 50 words were fed into AI to generate a novella of 1,000 words?

What about the sellers and practitioners who don't want to use AI because they are purists, and they want to remain true to the actually-garnered information? They should lose ground because they are genuinely and solely communicating on their basis and level of conveyance with the conjuration? Their 50 genuine words from conjuration notes are not as valuable as 50 genuine words + 950 AI generated enhancement?

That's interesting, as if I were working with an apprentice who didn't have good verbal or written skills to feel less-than or peer-pressured into utilizing AI. I would tell them to write down the notes and if they feel like a word or phrase isn't 100% correct to the context of the conjuration, to use a thesaurus to see if another word has a greater purity to the context of what was experienced or expressed.

These are all just thoughts, because I read from your post that you believe they are balanced and equal to each other. Perhaps for you, they are. That's fine if you feel that way, but not everyone is going to feel that way, and they don't have to feel forced to in order to bend the knee to up-and-coming technology that is known to have serious flaws.

Either way, it's completely off-topic to the point of my post - the rapid volume and on-set of sellers since the regularity of use of AI. I don't want to venture too far off the beaten path here, because that was the point of the post.

How often did sellers or customers come in here before to report copy-cat sellers who just cut & pasted their listings into their shops? It's a noticeable difference to how fewer those posts became after the onset of AI because the listings can be fed and recreated by AI. Again - the point of the post being fly-by-night shops.


I noticed you really melded a lot of points into a single argument that is pro-AI. You seem to be far more defensive of existing sellers and shops using AI. That wasn't the point of my post as it specifically addressed "fly-by-night shops". Therefore, I will stick to my aspect of the topic.

As existing customers of reputable shops, a customer's opinion is valid on the grounds that you guys are the customers who are welcoming these companions into your homes and lives. Your thoughts and their thoughts are all valid opinions on the topic.

Strong feelings about AI(like fear, distrust, or only hearing negative stories)can make people judge it unfairly and cause what is called a Cognitive Trigger. These reactions can spill over onto the people who use AI, even if they’re completely honest and skilled at what they do. It can lead to innocent practitioners being seen as shady just because they use a new tool.

I don't think it's unfair at all. I think some members here who have discussed this publicly & privately have made good points and have demonstrated that AI doesn't usually get it right every time, actually not most times, when you are talking about converting conjuration notes. Some of them tested it with their own conjuration notes, and the information is off the map entirely. Which means, conjurers are having to read the novellas being created by the AI software for validity and being true, pure, and correct to the actual spirit or entity and their life, context of communication, etc. Perhaps they do!

I also disagree on the grounds that honest and skilled practitioners will stand out on their own merit. The entire point of my original post was fly-by-night shops. I think any reputable practitioners read this post and feel exactly the same way - how did all the sudden an unusual volume of practitioners pop-up that all produce thousands-of-words long conjuration notes? Which, seem to be a new selling point - get a novella with your conjuration! Okay, but I have some questions and concerns that I'm sorry, but I maintain are completely valid -

#1 - Using AI to add to a customer's valid conjuration notes to create what is "perceived value" because you're not getting 100 words, you're getting 1,200 words! Okay, but what is the vetting process for the information? Out of the 1,200 words, how many actually came from the spirit or entity?

#2 - Even before AI, scammers have used information from reputable practitioners & websites to create their listings, but they had to actually re-write the information themselves, or risk cut and paste copying of other sellers' listings. The onset of AI has made this faster, easier, and quicker for scam shop to grab valid information and have AI regurgitate it.

Is the onset of AI going to make it easier or harder for people to recognize scammers? I don't know, it's a valid question and consideration.

This kind of snap judgment hurts reputations and makes it harder to look at each person’s work fairly and generally spreads needless mistrust and negativity around people who if they hadn't been honest about using AI you otherwise would have vouched for without a doubt, because you knew they were legit. Ai doesn't change how they conjure, their skills in binding, their other processes, or their integrity as a person.

I don't think anyone here is providing a snap judgment as this post was a long-time coming, and speaking for myself, gave it quite a bit of thought and consideration before even posting my original post. Snap judgment doesn't even factor into my post, which should be clear from my own posting history and schedule. I'm not really a snap judgment kind of person, I mull over things ad nauseum. I generally put a lot of thought and reflect on posting over multiple days or weeks prior to posting anything.

AI is a tool, not a replacement for skill, experience, or ethics.

In this scenario, it absolutely is. Fly-by-night shops just have to grab reputable information to regurgitate into something legitimate looking. Which is 100% a replacement for skill, experience, and ethics. Which is not new, fly-by-night shops were doing it before either by re-writing reputable information or cut & pasting it outright, but AI has made that faster and more difficult to discern for someone who is new and just starting out.

To dismiss its use outright in conjuration records assumes the worst of those who use it, and that’s both unfair and shortsighted. The fact that a conjurer has their own notes does not mean AI can’t add value. A skilled practitioner might use AI to refine structure, adapt tone to better match what the spirit or entity wants conveyed, and help flesh out their message. It's no different than using a pendulum, automatic writing, or any other communication aid, just as long as it isn’t inventing details or adding false information. Which is why using other tools like pendulums and such to verify the information and discernment is important.

It is different from using a pendulum, automatic writing, or other divine practices. Unless you've created the AI software with spells for the purpose of divination, then AI software is not a divine tool. I don't know how anyone else prepares their tools, but if you are using a tool for the purpose of divining information, then it needs to be prepared to be a divine tool. Is AI a divine tool? Interesting thought and insight, but again, not germane to the topic of fly-by-night shops popping up via the benefit and support of AI.

Claiming AI-written text is automatically “superfluous fluff” ignores that the quality of AI output depends entirely on how it’s prompted and supervised. A competent conjurer can guide AI to produce accurate, clear, and well-formatted text, then verify it against their own experience and through scrying, which has been done for generations before technology like computers. This is helpful, especially for those who struggle with wording, grammar, or other such constraints. Some people's lives and communication skills have improved with the help of AI. My son is nonverbal, and AI has been a blessing for our family, which out it he wouldn't be able to communicate as clearly as he does now. It would have taken years of needless struggling and stress for him and us, but AI has given him a voice in its own way. So surely you can see how it can be seen as a bit ableist to just assume the worst of anyone who uses it.

I can appreciate the point of view, but you are melding separate issues into a combined argument for the validation of use of AI with conjuration notes and information. Any person who is utilizing AI in ways to communicate is great, but we aren't discussing the use of AI for nonverbal people. I can fully understand your defense of AI if it has provided your son immense benefit, but these are separate topics of discussion!

We aren't admonishing people for the use of AI because they are nonverbal or because they have other issues where they cannot effectively communicate on their own. For the sake of discussing the topic itself, we are only discussing the use of AI for the accelerated appearance of small novels for conjuration notes from fly-by-night sellers popping up left, right, and sideways.

We have a point of view you do not have, we have helpdesk where we get emails from people who have information and conjurations, but the seller has disappeared. Having had this Forum and a helpdesk for 17 years, we see trends, we see things happening in droves, and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that since the onset of AI there are extremely identifiable trends in people writing in for help because conjurers disappear. In some cases, they don't really disappear because when a shop name gets tarnished, they come back under another name, as evidenced by the spirit conjuration novellas they provide that are eerily similar and are all AI-generated.

But yes, there are absolutely people who abuse AI or use it to scam! Those buttheads are almost always newcomers chasing quick money, not experienced practitioners with a proven history in the craft. The conjurers who have been doing this work for years, and who have only recently integrated AI into their process, are using it to enhance client write-ups, not replace the real work. Their conjurations, communication with spirits, and core practices remain exactly the same!

I really don't know about the latter, but the point of the post is the former, which was part of my original post - the voluminous onset of shops with obviously AI generated conjuration notes. If the topic has veered into any existing conjurers, I have no opinion on that subject, you guys as customers know any existing conjurers and their reputations speak for themselves.

AI is just a polishing tool to help present the information more clearly and in greater detail. Lumping these seasoned practitioners in with opportunistic scammers is like accusing an artist of being a fraud because he started using a tablet instead of pencil and paper.

I don't know that anyone was doing this. I know my post was about fly-by-night-shops and the recent volume of pop-up shops.

If members here have opinions on the subject, their thoughts and opinions are just as valid as your own, and just like you, they all vote for what they believe in with who they do business with.

Maybe we could stop villainizing people based on tools, and actually work together to spread awareness of how to spot, prove, and report actual scammers?

If you have been around a long time here, you know that is one of the core aspects of the Forum itself, for all the members. There are volumes of information related to this point, and unfortunately, that now involves the use of AI - as for or against it anyone may feel. The combination of people and tools is something I think everyone here is intellectually-wise enough to discern and consider for themselves.

The discussion is, itself, self-evident to the situations that members have already encountered. Ergo, the topic itself is not far off the mark here.

Edit for additional question and link - It is notable that Aphralki's single and passionate post to the community for the first time in defense of AI brings up an entirely new question, which we can explore in another topic altogether - if AI can be programmed and trusted to replace other professionals in the world, would you trust an AI conjuration? Completely and solely AI? Join the topic here.

[Adair]

If you are the conjurer, who has the notes and information from the conjuration, then there is absolutely no need for any AI written description - you already have the information at-hand. Anything an AI generator will generate would be superfluous fluff which isn't accurate to the conjuration in any way. You would really be duplicating work for yourself by writing the accurate content, giving it to a piece of AI software to fluff for you, then re-checking the content for accuracy. It's accurate when you write what you personally encountered during the conjuration process.

If the issue is a limited vocabulary, you can always use a thesaurus.

Another reason why I personally choose to only purchase from CH. You and Ash have literally NEVER let me down

Same here, @Adair , except I also 100% trust Lisa of MMR.

I've had great experiences with her in the past, absolutely, she's genuine.