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Travel trouble

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:15 pm
by Apollopnir
Alright, so I've been going out of body for a few years regularly now, I can do this weird form of travel where I took at a point I want to go to, and "step" into that location. I can run faster and climb up walls like a spider, my problem however, is that I have issues flying.

I will go to jump and I get a spike of fear and it kills any momentum, and even makes my jumps smaller! I try to fly every time I get out of body and it just doesn't work. The few times I end up flying due to pure accident (like over reaching on a jump) I get that stomache lurching feeling and start panicking. I KNOW it's not going to hurt me, but the panic is still there! It's funny, I can stare down (in lucid dreams) werewolves, dragons, decrepit horrors, but put me in the air in a completely safe happy zone and I become a coward!
Last night I even called my spirit to help me during my panic and got a laugh (you're afraid of this? Of all the things....)I know I don't have to fly, but I'd like to.

Can any of you offer advice on how to train myself to not have a mild heart attack from flying, I feel it is hampering my experiences out of body and in lucid dreams VERY heavily.

Re: Travel trouble

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:53 pm
by Lewk
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It sounds like either a personal mental block or that you're travelling subtly differently from what I think of as being astral travel.

Looking at it from my angle, when you're in what I think of as the astral, things happen quite quickly as you think them, so I'm thinking it should be pretty easy for you to fly. You just imagine it clearly. In fact it can be a problem to quiet or control the mind so as to stop it creating or doing things instantaneously - you need to be in a stable frame of mind.

I wonder if you are travelling in more of a lucid dream or mental journeying way and that you use effort, will or intent, rather than just being there? Or that you think of it as an ability or skill that has to be acquired (whereas it is probably not - you just imagine it and practice). From what little I know (I always say I am not an expert or teacher on astral travel) there's no reason why a person can't hop, jump, levitate, fly, or instantaneously translocate :} from one place in the astral to another.

But what's the difference really whether you jump or fly anyway? It's just another form of movement from one place to another, travelling through all the points inbetween.

Re: Travel trouble

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:54 pm
by Lewk
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Re: Travel trouble

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:13 pm
by Whimsy
Awe that doesn't sound like fun but I think, as with most things, spiritual or otherwise, you're not going to get over your fear until you've experienced it enough times to realize you're fine. I wonder if there's a place you could travel to practice flying. Like maybe you'd feel safer over a body of water or something like that. At least to ease your mind about it while you get used to the new sensations.

You could always push yourself on it starting from a small vantage point and work your way up. Either way, I don't much care for heights either so I totally understand where you're coming from...

Re: Travel trouble

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:16 pm
by Apollopnir
Yes, lewk, I do have very much direct intent of whats going on in relation to myself in the astral (things happen crazy fast at times however) the thing is, I can interact just fine for the most part, wandering through streets, talking, interacting...just when I'm exploring I find it super hard to take off. Like I'm being pulled down by gravity haha.

I entirely agree with you, there is no reason I shouldn't be able to do it! I can teleport to a spot by stepping into it, im just a heights coward and guess my mind during it is like "oh you think you're gonna fly, lemme just put a stop to that right now!"

It probably is a mental block for sure, guess the only way around it is like whimsy says, gotta babystep that fear outta me. Or just ask my spirit to repeatedly throw me off a cliff till I stop being scared of heights haha (oh yes, I will definitely ask her to do this).

Thanks for the advice guys!

Re: Travel trouble

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:03 pm
by Lewk
Apollopnir wrote:[...]I can teleport to a spot by stepping into it, im just a heights coward and guess my mind during it is like "oh you think you're gonna fly, lemme just put a stop to that right now!"

It probably is a mental block for sure, guess the only way around it is like whimsy says, gotta babystep that fear outta me. Or just ask my spirit to repeatedly throw me off a cliff till I stop being scared of heights haha (oh yes, I will definitely ask her to do this)



Thanks for explaining.

This thought might help...

[For those who are not Flat Earthers...] We are all poised 4,000 miles above the centre of the Earth, or 8,000 miles above the opposite end of the Earth. If you do grounding techniques, like sending a cord to the centre of the Earth, or oriental martial arts grounding methods, like feeling your place in the gravitational field and locating where it ends in the planet's centre...if you do anything like that you might realise that all of us humans are suspended in space in between outer space and the planet's centre, thousands of miles below.



You can get used to being safely high above all of that.

The concept of being on solid ground is just a mental construct or illusion. And that's before you get to realising how many billions of light years' distance there is below our feet, above us , to the left and right of us, in front of and behind us, between us and the detectable ends of the Universe we're in.

Re: Travel trouble

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:50 pm
by Likes2Read
I was just listening to a podcast that discussed out-of-body travel at length. There’s a reading list associated with the episode, as well.

They talked about Robert Monroe. His was the first story of astral projection I read about, a whole bunch of years ago. He wrote books explaining his techniques.

Check this out:

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/08/ ... u-podcast/

Re: Travel trouble

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:51 pm
by Likes2Read
Oh, and do you have any flying spirits or servitors who’d be willing to carry you through the air, to get you acclimated to the idea?

Re: Travel trouble

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:52 am
by Apollopnir
Likes2Read wrote:Oh, and do you have any flying spirits or servitors who’d be willing to carry you through the air, to get you acclimated to the idea?

I have an Ubi. While I have no doubt she could fly, I think her idea of breaking my fear is to drop me from heights until I stop being scared, which I guess I'd be okay with if I had to lol.
My best friend of 20 years has a red dragon though, that came in so heavily when he received it that we both felt him immediately. Perhaps I could ask my friend if his dragon would be willing to assist me? Thanks as well, I enjoy robert monroes material, I'll check it out.

And lewk, I will try that tomorrow actually, thanks for the tip. I really hate being terrified of heights. I feel like im missing out on the most fun form of travel! :(

Re: Travel trouble

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:27 am
by Likes2Read
If your spirits aren’t on board with the idea, Eclipse Metaphysical has some servitors with “astral mount” capabilities. That might be a potential solution.