BINDING VS ATTACHMENT - WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE & MORE INFO

[aboveearth420]

Ok thanks Ash, i mislead myself while reading the listing, i just needed reassurance after seeing the word "attachment" in pertaining to the WW i got. My dog who is a wolf-hybrid, has been diagnosed with Addison's disease, which means her adrenal glands do not function properly, and in times of severe stress it can cause seizures and it can be fatal as well, if not properly tended to immediately. So i was apprehensive at first, due to the simple fact that i did not want to cause her any harm because of my stupidity.

Geez, if he is going back and forth, maybe my dog stole my WW. lol

[p’yunik~*~chovexani]

Bumping a great great post!

[angelpaws]

Magnolia,
Instead of trying to do a binding myself since I'm so new (I'm afraid I'll mess it up) Can I just send it to you and you can do the binding and find out who the spirits are? I brought home a glass stone from Holocaust museum last week and there is strong energy from it and my pendulum said there were two female humans attached. One forum member said they saw a old women in the photo of the stone. If they came home with me they must want to be with me (and I asked with my pendulum and they said yes) I don't need anything bound do i since they are already there? I just new a bridge and info on who they are. All I get is Rosencrantz and I don't know if it's one of the woman's name or they are trying to tell me about someone named Rosencrantz. Sent a ticket last week about it but never heard anything. I know you are busy. So I'll ask here:) I just feel bad something (energy) or someone(s) came home with me that day for a reason and I don't know why. I do want to learn how to bind spirits but this is so personal to me I don't know who or what inside the stone. I'm slowly getting better at this but SLOWLY. I don't know how long the spirits in that stone might wait for me to find everything out before they leave go back to the museum and wait for someone who can pick up on them better than me. The forum member saw an old woman I can't see spirits in stones yet so I don't see anything. Maybe someone else will see something different.

[Cell28]

It's not what you know that will hurt you,
It's what you don't know................

Once upon a time, there was the story of Magnolia and Ash's path that lead them where they are today. It was a fascinating read.
And it really highlights the long and arduous path to becoming an adept.

There are many here who have brought interests from past lives into this one. But having a past life does not make one an expert ! I was a champion golfer in a past life, but I have no talent or desire, not even enough to watch, the game today.

One can fully draw on past life experiences when they develop continuity of consciousness, thru building the Antakarana, where they cam step from one life to the next in complete conscious clarity. The rest of us have to work at it. As it is meant to be. Anything worth having, is worth striving for.

The ancient wisdom is excellent path work for light seekers. http://www.douglasbaker.com/psychology.html



Blessed Be,
Alex

Several times, I've come across old posts mentioning Magnolia's and Ash's story, how it all started..-but the posts were in the OLD forum..way before my time joining CH.

ANY CHANCE to dig this up for the newer members ?? :fingercross:
Has anyone saved those old posts ?

I really would loooove to hear (read ) more about it -and sure I'm not the only one ! :yes::

[Princess:LadyRedStar]

There's been questions lately about what is a binding and what is an attachment and how do they differ?

To be basic a binding is the permanent & direct binding of a spirit, energy or spell to a location (vessel, person, etc).

An attachment is temporary; usually done by energies or spirits themselves. They attach themselves to a location (vessel, person, place. home, etc) and they can stay as little or as long as they wish. Either the spirit or energy can remove themselves and/or the person who owns the location can remove them.

We've also had emails & eBay questions wanting to know what kind of bindings are they and how do you learn to do them?

There are many different types of bindings varying from those done by people new to the process to the well-trained. I can tell you that you will not find a lot of information online about binding spirits because it is information passed from one practitioner to their wards. This forum was the first to open the discussion about spirit keeping and spirit bindings and we have not posted public information about the binding process.

Through the Conjuration Clubs and through University courses we offer teaching on how to properly bind spirits and/or magic. Does one class make you an expert? No. This is something that you will start out on the ground floor and you will need to work with dedication & hard work to get to a point where you can say firmly that you are able to properly bind spirits and/or magic. Not to mention you have to earn your place in the spiritual & astral realms to be able to approach certain spirits and to be taken seriously.

Typically the binding techniques & conjuration techniques we teach are for the people who are conjuring for themselves or family & friends. This is because there are steps to binding spirits and/or magic for strangers. Naturally we know most of you now but before we did you were obviously a stranger. Sometimes people want to know why our spirit listings lack great lengths of personal information about that spirit... well, it's because we aren't bonding with them and you wouldn't want us to if you were the next Keeper. We conjure & bind because the spirit that comes through wants to be bound and either already knows who they are going to eventually or just want companionship in general.

When you conjure and converse with a spirit you are exchanging energies with that spirit and you are creating a tie between you, however slight. For us we have been doing this a long, long time and it's best not to get personal with spirits you plan to re-home. So that is why often we lack the insight & details into the spirits. We pass along any information they give us at time of conjuration but they know we are practitioners and they know that we are the gateway from them getting from their realm to their door. They understand the roles & places of themselves and us. They wouldn't encroach on us and we would not encroach on them. I realize that with all the information we put out there it all looks so easy (perhaps) but there's a lot to spirit interaction on a practitioner's level and as a practitioner we understand our place & role and the spirits understand theirs.

When we're conjuring for ourselves it's a different matter, but there is a clear line that falls between a practitioner & the other realms and there are certain criteria & things that must be in place for a seasoned practitioner to call themselves that.

What is the worst that can happen if someone inexperienced binds a spirit wrongly?

Well, if it's a Dark Arts spirit it can become extremely problematic. Wraiths, Harpies, some darker Vampires, Stryx, and the other darker of the DA spectrum would become noticeably irritable, they would backlash against the person who has them in their custody, they would be distressed and vicious. When proper invocations & binding techniques aren't used it can be dangerous. Of course fooling around with extremely dark DAs could prove fatal.

With White Arts spirits it's less of a danger and more of an discomfort & annoyance for the spirit and eventually the Keeper.

Either Arts can also lead to the spirit breaking free of the binding and with the DA spirits that's when it can become a real problem. With WA they may bother you for awhile if they are upset about it.

The invocation is extremely important because it is the first interaction between you and them that creates a bond and tie between you. It is like a contract of trust; you put yourself out there and the one(s) that respond is accepting that contract. Secondly is the method of binding. In our Conjuration Club classes we first teach a certain method that allows the person to earn credibility in the spiritual realm and/or astral realms and they use an accompanying guide to provide them assistance until they can earn their credibility. From there they use a binding invocation written expressly for binding. One, four, six, or ten courses does not make them a seasoned practitioner, of course, but repetition, hard work & growth in the field will.

So what happens if a spirit comes to your home of its own free will and you want to keep them with you?

If you're not a practitioner then I am going to strongly recommend that you ask the spirits to attach themselves to you or a vessel. You do not have to bind a spirit in order for them to stay. If you have a spirit that comes to you and wants to stay with you then they will continue to stay. It also opens you up to the option of asking the spirit to leave if things don't work out. If they are bound then you have to perform a banishment or un-binding which can also open doors you may not want to open.

Spirits and having them in your life can be an extremely joyous & amazing experience, but it's not something to take lightly. They are beings with thoughts, feelings, emotions and insights. There is a respect, trust & reverence that comes with spirit keeping and not only should you take it seriously but whatever practitioner you choose to work with should take it seriously if not even more seriously.

I just thought this would be a good time to review some very important things that a lot of people seem to be overlooking lately..

[Cell28]

Magnolia,
Instead of trying to do a binding myself since I'm so new (I'm afraid I'll mess it up) Can I just send it to you and you can do the binding and find out who the spirits are? I brought home a glass stone from Holocaust museum last week and there is strong energy from it and my pendulum said there were two female humans attached. One forum member said they saw a old women in the photo of the stone. If they came home with me they must want to be with me (and I asked with my pendulum and they said yes) I don't need anything bound do i since they are already there? I just new a bridge and info on who they are. All I get is Rosencrantz and I don't know if it's one of the woman's name or they are trying to tell me about someone named Rosencrantz. Sent a ticket last week about it but never heard anything. I know you are busy. So I'll ask here:) I just feel bad something (energy) or someone(s) came home with me that day for a reason and I don't know why. I do want to learn how to bind spirits but this is so personal to me I don't know who or what inside the stone. I'm slowly getting better at this but SLOWLY. I don't know how long the spirits in that stone might wait for me to find everything out before they leave go back to the museum and wait for someone who can pick up on them better than me. The forum member saw an old woman I can't see spirits in stones yet so I don't see anything. Maybe someone else will see something different.

Hi angelpaws,
Could be your question has been answered meanwhile, but wanted to let you know that "Rosenkranz" is the german word for "rosary". Also there's a stage play with that word used as a name "Rosencrantz +guildenstern are dead."
Sorry that's all I know..


And in general - this whole thread is very informative, - great, it has been bumped! :thumbup:

[crone maatkaere]

this is a great post by magnolia. :

[Bella]

Bump! More people need to read this! :thumbup:

[Ghostly Decibels]

There's been questions lately about what is a binding and what is an attachment and how do they differ?

To be basic a binding is the permanent & direct binding of a spirit, energy or spell to a location (vessel, person, etc).

An attachment is temporary; usually done by energies or spirits themselves. They attach themselves to a location (vessel, person, place. home, etc) and they can stay as little or as long as they wish. Either the spirit or energy can remove themselves and/or the person who owns the location can remove them.

We've also had emails & eBay questions wanting to know what kind of bindings are they and how do you learn to do them?

There are many different types of bindings varying from those done by people new to the process to the well-trained. I can tell you that you will not find a lot of information online about binding spirits because it is information passed from one practitioner to their wards. This forum was the first to open the discussion about spirit keeping and spirit bindings and we have not posted public information about the binding process.

Through the Conjuration Clubs and through University courses we offer teaching on how to properly bind spirits and/or magic. Does one class make you an expert? No. This is something that you will start out on the ground floor and you will need to work with dedication & hard work to get to a point where you can say firmly that you are able to properly bind spirits and/or magic. Not to mention you have to earn your place in the spiritual & astral realms to be able to approach certain spirits and to be taken seriously.

Typically the binding techniques & conjuration techniques we teach are for the people who are conjuring for themselves or family & friends. This is because there are steps to binding spirits and/or magic for strangers. Naturally we know most of you now but before we did you were obviously a stranger. Sometimes people want to know why our spirit listings lack great lengths of personal information about that spirit... well, it's because we aren't bonding with them and you wouldn't want us to if you were the next Keeper. We conjure & bind because the spirit that comes through wants to be bound and either already knows who they are going to eventually or just want companionship in general.

When you conjure and converse with a spirit you are exchanging energies with that spirit and you are creating a tie between you, however slight. For us we have been doing this a long, long time and it's best not to get personal with spirits you plan to re-home. So that is why often we lack the insight & details into the spirits. We pass along any information they give us at time of conjuration but they know we are practitioners and they know that we are the gateway from them getting from their realm to their door. They understand the roles & places of themselves and us. They wouldn't encroach on us and we would not encroach on them. I realize that with all the information we put out there it all looks so easy (perhaps) but there's a lot to spirit interaction on a practitioner's level and as a practitioner we understand our place & role and the spirits understand theirs.

When we're conjuring for ourselves it's a different matter, but there is a clear line that falls between a practitioner & the other realms and there are certain criteria & things that must be in place for a seasoned practitioner to call themselves that.

What is the worst that can happen if someone inexperienced binds a spirit wrongly?

Well, if it's a Dark Arts spirit it can become extremely problematic. Wraiths, Harpies, some darker Vampires, Stryx, and the other darker of the DA spectrum would become noticeably irritable, they would backlash against the person who has them in their custody, they would be distressed and vicious. When proper invocations & binding techniques aren't used it can be dangerous. Of course fooling around with extremely dark DAs could prove fatal.

With White Arts spirits it's less of a danger and more of an discomfort & annoyance for the spirit and eventually the Keeper.

Either Arts can also lead to the spirit breaking free of the binding and with the DA spirits that's when it can become a real problem. With WA they may bother you for awhile if they are upset about it.

The invocation is extremely important because it is the first interaction between you and them that creates a bond and tie between you. It is like a contract of trust; you put yourself out there and the one(s) that respond is accepting that contract. Secondly is the method of binding. In our Conjuration Club classes we first teach a certain method that allows the person to earn credibility in the spiritual realm and/or astral realms and they use an accompanying guide to provide them assistance until they can earn their credibility. From there they use a binding invocation written expressly for binding. One, four, six, or ten courses does not make them a seasoned practitioner, of course, but repetition, hard work & growth in the field will.

So what happens if a spirit comes to your home of its own free will and you want to keep them with you?

If you're not a practitioner then I am going to strongly recommend that you ask the spirits to attach themselves to you or a vessel. You do not have to bind a spirit in order for them to stay. If you have a spirit that comes to you and wants to stay with you then they will continue to stay. It also opens you up to the option of asking the spirit to leave if things don't work out. If they are bound then you have to perform a banishment or un-binding which can also open doors you may not want to open.

Spirits and having them in your life can be an extremely joyous & amazing experience, but it's not something to take lightly. They are beings with thoughts, feelings, emotions and insights. There is a respect, trust & reverence that comes with spirit keeping and not only should you take it seriously but whatever practitioner you choose to work with should take it seriously if not even more seriously.

[what_lies_beneath]

:nice:: much needed information ! Thanks