dream with Lucifer

[ImmortalYearning]

To me Lucifer is Light and Dark........Light and Black. Remember he does business in a variety of places and connects to a variety of beings....the most numerous being angels and demons. Angels can be light or dark or both. Demons can be darkness or chaos or both......fallen angels are all of them and infernal demons may be open to the light as well.

Lucifer is as smart as Thoth, so he is like a scientist...some might say an evil scientist lol. Good, bad, Evil Scientist lmao. This is why he pairs well with Lilith, who is open to working alongside Arch Angels and light arts magic.


Lucifer has a White Light Form and a Black Light Form. I have even heard of rumors in the occult community of Lucifer being Shiva who is light and dark. Shiva is the master of Creation and Destruction.


I skimmed through the post since I'm in a rush, but I have left some of my experience with Lucifer. He has a lot of great aspects, the ones I do not like are the trickster and devil aspects. I don't like tricksters, so I avoid trickster spirits like the plague ...

[madgar29]

look back on this thread. i was really trying to understand what was going on.

but reading this thread again with vipera's post. it makes the most since again. even made me laugh when lucifer could mean Venusian being. I have a Venusian spirit companion.

I also read other lucifer threads. I believe the one that Ash posted in. Stating the Lucifer he interreacted with was DA not BA. A lot of people will debate if lilith is just another side of lucifer and the same being but. rather it is or not doesnt matter.

But yeah the lucifer your interacting with has a trickster side? im not going anywhere close man

CH even offers some angels that can bring chaos. a lot of angels DA and WA.

someone should explain to me what they think fallen truly means? i dont think it means fallen from grace anymore. not all fallen angels lost their divine duties or powers so. im confused on the term. angels that turned demons were considered to be traitors depending on what side ur on but rebels.......

many christians even believe Lucifer is alive never been to hell. i have no idea. i am just repeating a theory that i think is interesting and thought provoking the idea lucifer is still alive and never been to hell is interesting.

[mcm442]

thought provoking the idea lucifer is still alive and never been to hell is interesting.

Having spoken with him on a couple occasions, I can tell you he is alive and well, and travels where he chooses, aside from that place. From a Biblical standpoint--and as always, I refer to my own translations from the original tongues which are uncorrupted by the 'will of man'--'hell' is simply a realm where 'God is not, nor ever will be'. Traveling in and out for some requires as much as it takes to travel to any other realm--which for others is a daunting task.

[madgar29]

thought provoking the idea lucifer is still alive and never been to hell is interesting.

Having spoken with him on a couple occasions, I can tell you he is alive and well, and travels where he chooses, aside from that place. From a Biblical standpoint--and as always, I refer to my own translations from the original tongues which are uncorrupted by the 'will of man'--'hell' is simply a realm where 'God is not, nor ever will be'. Traveling in and out for some requires as much as it takes to travel to any other realm--which for others is a daunting task.

my ideology. The God whatever you want to call it. is everything. in every being and stone. so i cant imagine a place it wouldnt be? thats mind boggling to me. b/c it is everything. but. im not psuhing my beliefs. its just my belief. God has alot of dogma. I think alot of people would just call it the divine or "The Source"

However if we are going off Abrahamic religion, and your going off old Hebrew. that is interesting to know thank you. I am curious. if you study this. if you would know. if the Hebrews were influenced a lot by the Persians? just curious.

I agree with you 100% on the translation of our "holy" text to be not so holy when its changed from 8 different languages but not like hebrew to the different ones but hebrew to greek then greek to french then french to english. no wonder we dont have the same book. lol

[mcm442]

my ideology. The God whatever you want to call it. is everything. in every being and stone. so i cant imagine a place it wouldnt be? if you would know. if the Hebrews were influenced a lot by the Persians? just curious.

Because there are those who would not want to be under him, he created this place and moved it away from the heavenly realms/place of the source. Some would call it 'hell', but it is simply a place he is not--determined by his own words. What transpires within is all determined by who dwells there.

'Persians' were relative newcomers, but all the ancient civilizations did have an impact on the hebrews. Look at the story of Noah, for instance, from Mesopotamia. The 'Bible' as it was written was essentially an encyclopedia of what was the mainstream belief at the time. The scope was narrow, and focused specifically on the Hebrew people.

If you start delving into the hermetical texts, all of it expands greatly and it all seems to come together.

As a disclaimer, all this is my own research, and a refusal to have anyone else tell me what is written.

[madgar29]

my ideology. The God whatever you want to call it. is everything. in every being and stone. so i cant imagine a place it wouldnt be? if you would know. if the Hebrews were influenced a lot by the Persians? just curious.

Because there are those who would not want to be under him, he created this place and moved it away from the heavenly realms/place of the source. Some would call it 'hell', but it is simply a place he is not--determined by his own words. What transpires within is all determined by who dwells there.

'Persians' were relative newcomers, but all the ancient civilizations did have an impact on the hebrews. Look at the story of Noah, for instance, from Mesopotamia. The 'Bible' as it was written was essentially an encyclopedia of what was the mainstream belief at the time. The scope was narrow, and focused specifically on the Hebrew people.

If you start delving into the hermetical texts, all of it expands greatly and it all seems to come together.

As a disclaimer, all this is my own research, and a refusal to have anyone else tell me what is written.

but even lucifer draws its powers from source? energy. the key word u used that i find silly is separate. true in this plane of existance we have individuality but in the end of the day i think we are all part of one. of course its hard to see that in this reality. if u even want to believe it...... why i will be crazy enough to say even lucifer does divine work - i am not going off religion btw.

[madgar29]

my ideology. The God whatever you want to call it. is everything. in every being and stone. so i cant imagine a place it wouldnt be? if you would know. if the Hebrews were influenced a lot by the Persians? just curious.

Because there are those who would not want to be under him, he created this place and moved it away from the heavenly realms/place of the source. Some would call it 'hell', but it is simply a place he is not--determined by his own words. What transpires within is all determined by who dwells there.

'Persians' were relative newcomers, but all the ancient civilizations did have an impact on the hebrews. Look at the story of Noah, for instance, from Mesopotamia. The 'Bible' as it was written was essentially an encyclopedia of what was the mainstream belief at the time. The scope was narrow, and focused specifically on the Hebrew people.

If you start delving into the hermetical texts, all of it expands greatly and it all seems to come together.

As a disclaimer, all this is my own research, and a refusal to have anyone else tell me what is written.

I will admit I could or can be totally wrong. I haven't interacted with him

[mcm442]

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I will admit I could or can be totally wrong. I haven't interacted with him
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Well, you’re not really wrong—Lucifer truly believes he is doing the right thing.