Misconceptions of Black magick explained

[Prykwen]

I agree with Tarvos. I've always seen BA as a path I could use for my spiritual development, even though I thought that by working with BA I was inviting BA entities. By the way, I wonder what you think about this @Tarvos . I think another reason why people see BA as ‘evil’ is because of the religion they believe in. In many religions BA is always used by malevolent forces and is always a way for people to do ‘bad’ things. Also, in my opinion, sacrifices are also something that leads people to BA. After all, you are taking the life of a living being and in return you believe that the magic will definitely come true and you will get what you want.

As you say, good practitioners certainly don't direct those results at themselves. Even more than that, I have seen some practitioners telling their clients that there will be no backfire and no karmic consequences. Honestly, I don't know if this can really happen, but when I see these words, it makes me laugh. I have always seen the universe as Justice itself. I think that one day we will face the consequences of our actions, even if it is not now.

There is much to be said about disregarding the free will of others, but now is not the time. Honestly, if I were to cast a spell that disregarded someone else's free will and hoped to get what I wanted, I think a question would come to mind. What will happen between me and that being when I disrespect the essence of that being, the way it wants to learn and the path it has chosen, and even ruin its life? I have certainly wondered about this question.

Also, what are the chances that other beings with ties to the being whose free will I interfered with and disrespected will curse me?

I was surprised to learn that angels can also use black magic. I expected it from immortals anyway I don't like them to be put into any mold.

I don’t believe that BA is evil solely because of the religions we follow. To me, there are “true BA beings” who don't care about anyone else and are malicious. So, there's that. The rest of the BA beings people work with are not malicious. From what I’ve seen so far, BA spells all cause chaos rather than help anyone, so it’s clear they can be used by malevolent forces.

If it's a bad BA spell we're talking about, practitioners often assure clients that there are no consequences, but I doubt they truly understand the risks, even for themselves. Lol. Or maybe they do know but choose to hide it to encourage clients to go through with the orders. It really depends on the situation. Personally, part of the Universe is justice, but I do think it needs an upgrade because there are definitely cases where different approaches could work better than just sticking to the rules. But that's just me.

Take your example, if you cast a spell that overrides someone’s free will to get what you want, nothing good comes from it for you. You’re also deciding their path for them, which could lead to various outcomes, some good, some bad, or even entirely new paths in their life. If the person is prone to controlling, this might feel like it “ruins” their life (lol), but really, you’ve just forced a path upon them.

The Universe has a great sense of humor, so sometimes that practitioner might unintentionally steer someone toward a good path. Lol. Even without the practitioner’s knowledge. Lol. And even if the spell meant to force the other person's hands.

As for the person whose free will was taken, they likely won’t have any idea what happened. If they are also a practitioner, it depends on their ability to recognize what’s been done to them.

[Prykwen]

I enjoyed the insights shared here, it was certainly interesting.

I am still very much in the infancy of my journey and the extent of my magick experience is just trying to use CH bindings lol.

Curiously I have fairly strong opinions that black magick and black arts beings are not for me despite not having any experience with them. Whilst trying to examine this for the reasons despite the lack of experience, it is possible that its a combination of reading what others have often said/posted about it, the CH definition of BA and my own beliefs around the importance of free will.

I think another large influence for this anti-BA mentality I have is the type of individuals I observed whenever I came across BA topics/sellers, the comments and requests were full of individuals looking for petty revenge, break up romances, force others to love them or people just looking to do as much harm to anothers life as possible, perhaps coming from a place of no experience and understanding on the BA I have judged it by association from the quality of individuals I observed seeking it out at the time. Hopefully my explanation is understandable and does not come across as being a blanket attack/judgement on any BA users .

This is why I found the original post refreshing to hear something different about the topic, many thanks.

That was totally me! I used to have strong feelings against BA and BA beings, even before I had any real experience with them. I think I mentioned that around the forum a year or two ago. But the Universe is funny, and they led me to both of them.

I completely relate to your explanation. I've mostly seen people using BA for harmful purposes, and I haven't come across any who use it for good yet. I might be in the minority here, so I understand why you'd want to distance yourself from those negative associations.

When I first got started, I struggled to explain it to others because I feared they'd judge me based on my association to BA, which is understandable. But then I don't want to hide it either because it's not who I am. It’s a tough spot to maneuver when BA has such a bad reputation.

Honestly, I don't see it as a path for myself. I work with its energy for positive reasons and only for very specific purposes. Most of what’s been said serves as a warning for those dabbling in much darker magick especially BA without fully grasping its complexities and innerworkings. If mcm442 were here, he’d say I’m in dad mode again. Lol.

[mcm442]

Hah, I'd say my ears were burning, but with what's currently going on, I wouldn't have noticed.

I'd say 'Dad Mode' is appropriate here, lol. There is a LOT to be considered working with this stuff--and sometimes the good requires something bad--but again, that concerns much consideration. I can't judge--got skin walkers in my tribe, for instance, and I may very well learn it myself, just in case, (that's waaaaayyyy off, 'if' at all--actually being told 'No I'm not!', heh).

As far as BA beings... I have a history of dealing with those types--the living ones, lol. There's a mentality that must be accepted in order to deal with them, and I really can't see it being a whole lot different in the paranormal world, to be honest. They are capable of doing good, if it must be stated. Purpose, meaning, and results required are all part of the equation. In the end, it's up to the individual to determine the proper 'tools' to use for the job.

[KrisKra]

I think the key could be overriding someone's free will? Manipulating someone? That to me is sort of BA. I could be wrong though. Harming someone or an animal or other living being (unless for food) is BA to me too but.... it could be harm in self defence.... gets tricky sometimes.

[Alaric]

I think the key could be overriding someone's free will? Manipulating someone? That to me is sort of BA. I could be wrong though. Harming someone or an animal or other living being (unless for food) is BA to me too but.... it could be harm in self defence.... gets tricky sometimes.

Yes it has often been said here that trying to override someone's free will is wrong (in other words it fits CH's definition of BA).

There used to be queries here about how can I force my ex girl or boyfriend to come back to me? What's the best spell to do that? Forum members pointed out that that actually is BA (CH definition) and is wrong because it aims to take away free will.

WA beings may have to cause harm in order to defend someone. But they don't set out to harm. They don't have malicious intent.

Same as maybe in real life knocking someone out to prevent them seriously injuring another person.

So if WA magic to defend someone incidentally causes harm to the being who has malicious intent to harm, it's again out of benevolence not malevolence. (Still WA.)...as I understand it.

[KrisKra]

Makes sense Alaric. What I thought. I think some humans are worse than demons.... The Black Witch Coven messes with this sort of thing supposedly, but sometimes I really wonder if these people are just scammers making big bucks as they have lots of excuses for magick not working. I mean, there is always a fail in spell craft but if you are all you are cracking yourself up to be, then why do you have lots of blow back? Or is it because of the nature of the spells? Surely, if you are really messing in that field you can't be on a good thing. There must be some recompense. The bravado they show as well, I wonder if its real. I would like to know if anyone really knows. I was pretty horrified when I saw their prices and think where there are huge prices there are possibly scams (not always but there is the risk). I also read here on the forum that Satan and Suns are fake too. Their prices were astronomical. I would never pay those prices. I also wonder if some people are really good story tellers in regard to their experiences. Then again, maybe messing with too much darkness makes you dodgy and possibly sends you a bit crazy.....

[Rando3000]

I think some humans are worse than demons.

To keep my thoughts mostly positive ill just say I wouldnt disagree if you replaced "some" with a less generous count.

I really wonder if these people are just scammers making big bucks as they have lots of excuses for magick not working. I mean, there is always a fail in spell craft but if you are all you are cracking yourself up to be, then why do you have lots of blow back? Or is it because of the nature of the spells? Surely, if you are really messing in that field you can't be on a good thing. There must be some recompense. The bravado they show as well, I wonder if its real. I would like to know if anyone really knows. I was pretty horrified when I saw their prices and think where there are huge prices there are possibly scams (not always but there is the risk)

There is a high chance of frauds in the metaphysical simply due to its nature, the scammer mentality with the high price listings is a hit and run approach, they place the price ridiculously high and then carefully target their listings to where people are most vulnerable (love being a common example), an issue that someone who isnt sure would still take a chance on because its important to them and once youve hit it you are conveniently reminded of the terms of purchase such as entertainment only no refunds, no guarantee, doesnt always work, it must be you etc etc, if these shops ever do face any real blowback they just close down and rebrand to hit people again from under a different banner. I suspect that the people who do have the power to wield BA for half of these advertised purposes would not be the type of people willing to share it and even if they were "genuine" then any "blowback" from dragging themselves through the sewers would almost certainly be deflected onto the buyer with the justification of "you asked for it, its on you"

[KrisKra]

Thanks Rando3000, my thoughts exactly