Confusion in interaction with spirit companions

[chanfara]

Hi,

I tried recently to interact with my spirits through a pendilum.The pendilum moves and the answers are coherent but when i do reality checks for some answers, they seem to be wrong until now, though i confirm each answer with different spirits.
I remained in that situation unable to confirm if my spirits are the ones interacting through the pendilum and not someone else

But something unexpected happened ! 2 days ago, a spirit interacting with me through the pendilum who was supposed to be one of my companions suggested that i was ready to use a new tool which is mental images, and i started to see mental images representing my companions. Each time i receive a mental image of one of them, i verify with the pendilum. And tonight, through the use of mental images and the pendilum, it was suggested that i am ready to learn to hear them. After few mental exercices (shown mentally by one of them) and concentration with them, i started to hear words like whispering and check with the pendilum and mental images sent by them whether i heard the correct word. They confirmed that i was correct through these two tools. But i remained skeptical and i found a way to do reality check. I suggested an exercice with a physical friend and my companions. I asked my friend to choose a name mentally and tasked my companions to tell me the chosen name. They were telling me wrong names and even confirming with mental images. When i confronted them they said through the pendilum that they were tricksters. I tasked my volkh, wraith and ghoul to banish them but nothing changed i have used salt and recited protective invocations in vain. I have also used a pendilum composed of a gemstone to which i've transmuted one of my companions. Still nothing have worked. They kept lying and pretending that the trickster is gone then when they fail the test exercice they admit they were tricksters.
Note that of i ask them a question about my self like the name of my physical friends, family etc, they answer correctly !

Note that i use a YES/NO pendilum and the spirits spin ot clockwise or the opposite. Sometimes (rare cases) they do other movements like swinging and sweeping for me to interpret intuitively !

Could you, please examine this case seriously and guide me toward a guaranteed solution

[Alaric]

Please don't take such results too seriously.

Pendulums are notorious for leading to the dowsing of our own mental processes rather than objective reality. There are things we can do to help with pendulum use, such as the CH article on protection for pendulum work.

I'll give the link to it in a separate post.

But there's no substitute for experience; putting the time in. I found it quite easy to communicate with spirits as soon as I began spirit keeping but that comes on top of many years of psychic development . I used pendulums and dowsing sticks for a while and got in tune with them but one thing I learned from that is how easy it is to end up getting the results of what's on your mind. And that includes worries, especially the subtle ones.

One of the best tips I've read here about pendulum use (or any method of divination) is to not place too much reliance on the answers you get. Don't base important decisions on results. Don't ask questions like does my partner really love me? Am I a bad person? Even: am I being interfered with by tricksters?

Such questions can easily lead someone not yet very experienced in pendulum spirit communication to getting the answer they feared.

I would add: treat it like a game. Make it one source to take into account. Treat it as something of interest, not gospel truth. That slight distance can help you to weigh up things with more objectivity.

Good luck

[Alaric]

@chanfara see viewtopic.php?f=259&t=63512&p=672825&hilit=task#p672825

[chanfara]

Please don't take such results too seriously.

Pendulums are notorious for leading to the dowsing of our own mental processes rather than objective reality. There are things we can do to help with pendulum use, such as the CH article on protection for pendulum work.

I'll give the link to it in a separate post.

But there's no substitute for experience; putting the time in. I found it quite easy to communicate with spirits as soon as I began spirit keeping but that comes on top of many years of psychic development . I used pendulums and dowsing sticks for a while and got in tune with them but one thing I learned from that is how easy it is to end up getting the results of what's on your mind. And that includes worries, especially the subtle ones.

One of the best tips I've read here about pendulum use (or any method of divination) is to not place too much reliance on the answers you get. Don't base important decisions on results. Don't ask questions like does my partner really love me? Am I a bad person? Even: am I being interfered with by tricksters?

Such questions can easily lead someone not yet very experienced in pendulum spirit communication to getting the answer they feared.

I would add: treat it like a game. Make it one source to take into account. Treat it as something of interest, not gospel truth. That slight distance can help you to weigh up things with more objectivity.

Good luck

Thank you Alaric.
What about the words that i started to hear Should i not rely too much on them too

[mcm442]

Couple notes--if you think the pendulum answers are wrong, and the pendulum is telling you tricksters... well, that may very well be your own fears manifesting in that answer. You have a vohlk and a wraith--you should be nicely protected. That being said, use an empty pendulum and cleanse it AND the answer board prior to any interactions.

I know everyone is different in their use, but I start with a rock solid pendulum. My task is to keep it from moving after asking a question, and that is my mental focus only. In fact, if I can't keep that pendulum absolutely still beforehand, I halt the session. My companions will make it swing yes/no. Yeah, I make them work for it--I like to see them actually try and pull it from my fingers.

Even saying all that, you should still work with many sessions before actually asking real questions. Do lots of mundane, easy stuff to improve accuracy and proper focus.

[chanfara]

Couple notes--if you think the pendulum answers are wrong, and the pendulum is telling you tricksters... well, that may very well be your own fears manifesting in that answer. You have a vohlk and a wraith--you should be nicely protected. That being said, use an empty pendulum and cleanse it AND the answer board prior to any interactions.

I know everyone is different in their use, but I start with a rock solid pendulum. My task is to keep it from moving after asking a question, and that is my mental focus only. In fact, if I can't keep that pendulum absolutely still beforehand, I halt the session. My companions will make it swing yes/no. Yeah, I make them work for it--I like to see them actually try and pull it from my fingers.

Even saying all that, you should still work with many sessions before actually asking real questions. Do lots of mundane, easy stuff to improve accuracy and proper focus.

Yes. I used all the precautions you mentioned and the pendilum i use now is composed of a stone which weights 2 pounds. I noticed also a difference in its movement between male and female spirits. I asked volkh and wraith through the pendilum after the incident with tricksters and they said they weren't random tricksters but black art spirits and that they are weaker than my companions, but they didn't want to interfere for valid reasons ! Even an immortal confirmed that ! I am still confusef lol

[Keriix Lunaria]

What do you actually want? When it’s correct you are skeptical, and add in more complicated procedures to try to ascertain that it’s real, but when they tell you they are tricksters and bad things you readily believe it.

To me, it just looks like you are setting yourself up to fail. If you are not able to believe in yourself and your spirits, as well as the protection they are offering you such that other evil beings cannot break into the protected area… then what even are you trying to accomplish? Have you even set up a protected area before you started using the pendulum, such that you can easily banish thoughts that outside beings are influencing the process?

Companions telling you things through telepathy and or mental images, and you doubt it and require the use of a pendulum to verify it. There is something called faith. Without faith, everything is futile. I suggest you rethink your process and eliminate chances of allowing yourself to doubt.

[chanfara]

What do you actually want? When it’s correct you are skeptical, and add in more complicated procedures to try to ascertain that it’s real, but when they tell you they are tricksters and bad things you readily believe it.

To me, it just looks like you are setting yourself up to fail. If you are not able to believe in yourself and your spirits, as well as the protection they are offering you such that other evil beings cannot break into the protected area… then what even are you trying to accomplish? Have you even set up a protected area before you started using the pendulum, such that you can easily banish thoughts that outside beings are influencing the process?

Companions telling you things through telepathy and or mental images, and you doubt it and require the use of a pendulum to verify it. There is something called faith. Without faith, everything is futile. I suggest you rethink your process and eliminate chances of allowing yourself to doubt.

I didn't say they told me correct things. I said coherent things otherwise they would be exposed easily. I do use protection procedures in the area where i use the pendilum.

Even the things i heard from them seem to be wrong until now. I didn't stop using the pendilum because i don't hear them very clearly. I use it to validate if i heard correctly.

In the contrary. I was reassured with my protective spirits and procedures in the beginning and for two weeks before the reality checks turned out to be unfavorable.

I can give you an example ; They all suggested that a problem i am having for a long time is caused by something that i did. But this turned out to be wrong ! They all confirmed the issue but it wasn't real. I am still trying to clarify things but i fear that i am dealing with the wrong persons

[Alaric]

Thank you Alaric.
What about the words that i started to hear Should i not rely too much on them too

Always retain your common sense and sense of perspective, would be my advice.

Weigh what you hear. Don't place all your bets on it, if you see what I mean. Take note of when it seems to be accurate and when it doesn't. Over time you'll likely develop more experience and a better sense of when things are true.

That sense of intuition is a valuable aid on our path.

The same goes for what you hear from your spirits. Pay attention to it; weigh it; learn from it. Don't make crazy decisions or risky life changes just because it seemed like a spirit told you to do so.

I would go as far as to say that even when you're quite experienced at spirit communication still be cautious and maintain common sense and a sense of perspective.

[Alaric]

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I asked volkh and wraith through the pendilum after the incident with tricksters and they said they weren't random tricksters but black art spirits [...]

I hope this is useful.

There's a simple remedy. Get specialist black arts protectors. Then you've excluded that possibility. (A Haltija could protect your divination/communication space from Black Arts interference.)

Simply task your spirit family to keep out all tricksters. Don't see it as a contest of wills, a Big Thing that has to involve great effort to Accomplish - simply find a moment when you're in a calm, clear state and ask them clearly to do this. They'll want to do it and you may sense or hear them tell you they'll do that.

It helps to keep a written note of what tasks you give to your spirit family. Especially if they're part of your house rules. You don't want to confuse them with different versions. Always gather them around you and tell them about any change. You can even print them out and put them up where your spirit family can see them.

nb One thing our companions seem to do is be unhappy with something we're unhappy with and be happy with what we're happy with. I think that means that sometimes that concern over our worries or fears may be sensed by us as them agreeing that we have a problem. (Something to be aware of.)

CH articles warn us that uncertainty or worry can easily cause a communication block. Pendulum use is also notorious for the user dowsing their own concerns.

The value of getting Black Arts protection and setting that task is that it could also settle your mind. You'd be less likely to worry about the possibility of interference; there'd be far less likelihood of it anyway.

You'd be be able to exclude that both on the ground of no longer being unprotected and on the ground of not tuning in to your worry about that.