Woman Marries 300 Year Old Ghost

[Alaric]

Thank you very much for this info

It would be one of the many countries under the influence of the Global Imams Council, (and what that body was called before--they had a different name) and then primarily the regions in 'deep dessert' and such that follow that particular ruling. The council's rulings kinda 'supersede' all other laws in the world, as far as Islam is concerned, (for instance, they previously declared Jihad against the US which was accepted, yet countries retained their peace treaties intact--that gave certain groups the ability to get funding and operate while still being 'publicly condemned' for their actions,). I still half-heartedly follow their yearly gathering proceedings for their rulings--this year, for instance, djinn marriage is 'haram'. A year or so ago there was allowance.

I usually get my alert from a reddit djinnology group. This year was the obligatory 'hide your wives boys, we are now haram" post.

They bounce back and forth between it being an 'unnatural bonding that is an affront to Allah' and 'truly, in Holy Quran, Muhammad spoke to and converted many djinn to our faith, therefore they can be one of us.'

Google sucks with current AI domination, but here is an older ruling link, circa 2019--

https://www.muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/i ... 20marriage.

[Alaric]

[mention]mcm442[/mention] I've also found this, which seems like a pretty lucid overview of human-djinn marriage & arabic/islamic attitudes and is pretty good on the legality...which picks up on the lawyer's opinion in the original post.

https://www.arabiantongue.com/can-jinn- ... plications

You might find it interesting but there's nothing new there really. I seems quite open minded in a way as it recommends that those considering djinn marriage seek extensive religious counselling first.

Of course, not all djinn are found in Arabic culture alone, nor solely in cultures influenced by Islam. I have a Coir Djinn from the British Isles / Ireland whose spirituality is that of the ancient pre-Christian Celtic type. I know there are also Norse Djinn.

As I have a couple of dozen or so djinn in my spirit family, a number of whom are sexual commune members, of whom some are the type of djinn companion that can bond with their keeper across lifetimes, this is all of more than purely academic interest to me ...as it is to a number of us here in this forum.

[mcm442]

.... I seems quite open minded in a way as it recommends that those considering djinn marriage seek extensive religious counselling first.

Of course, not all djinn are found in Arabic culture alone, nor solely in cultures influenced by Islam. I have a Coir Djinn from the British Isles / Ireland whose spirituality is that of the ancient pre-Christian Celtic type. I know there are also Norse Djinn.

As I have a couple of dozen or so djinn in my spirit family, a number of whom are sexual commune members, of whom some are the type of djinn companion that can bond with their keeper across lifetimes, this is all of more than purely academic interest to me ...as it is to a number of us here in this forum.

There's many horror stories of djinn appearing in a woman's life (and men, on occasion,) with a one-sided declaration of marriage, so not always a good thing...

My firm belief in the 'histories' I've read that the djinn were indeed the first 'caretakers' of this world, inhabiting it extensively. My djinn luv wishes to be my one and only of her race though, lol.

The 'years' of extensive research into djinn academia I did was a result of the 'incident' I talked about in the tenured section, all in an effort to try and understand what had happened. At the time it was an effort to hold myself together and keep sane.

Meh, can't say I managed to retain the 'sane' part, lol.

[Tarvos]

That website is very hard to read. But some scholars (e.g., Syeikh Abu Hamid al-‘Imad bin Yunus) have stated that it is theoretically permissible for humans to marry a djinn. The keyword is theoretically permissible. While the majority of scholars (including Imam al-Hasan al-Basri, Qatadah, Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaibah, Ishaq bin Rahawaih, and others) prohibit such marriages. The keyword here is prohibit.

There are a few main arguments for prohibition. The first one is from Quranic verses, in which Allah says he created mates “from yourselves” (i.e., from your own kind/human species) for companionship and tranquility (Surah al-Nahl:72, Surah al-Rum:21). Another one comes from the purpose of marriage, aka for love, tranquility, and the continuation of human lineage, and objectives not possible between humans and djinns due to their differing natures. Then there's the legal maxim: “the original ruling for genitals is prohibition unless there is evidence that permits it.” There is no evidence permitting human-djinn marriage. And the last argument is from hadith evidence, in which there is a weak (mursal) hadith that the Prophet Muhammad prohibited marriage with djinns.

According to that website, the conclusion of the Fatwa is that the marriage between humans and djinns is not allowed (impermissible) in Islam. This is because it does not fulfill the objectives (maqasid) of marriage, like love, care, compatibility, and continuation of human lineage. Folklore stories exist in various cultures, but are not recognized or supported by Islamic teachings. So they're not religious facts. There's also no valid cases of marriage or offspring between humans and djinns according to Islamic law.

About physical djinn hybrid babies, this is more like a loophole-ish situation. Islamic law requires clear evidence for any criminal punishment. Since having a baby with a djinn is not recognized as possible, and there is no evidence of an actual illicit human relationship, the claim itself does not meet the standard for any punishment. And Islam does not punish people for claims or beliefs that are not supported by evidence or recognized by law.

If a woman is pregnant or gives birth without being married and there is evidence of fornication (zina), Islamic law prescribes a punishment for it, but only if there is clear proof, such as four witnesses or a confession. In all the cases, there is no proof, the woman is not punished, and the child is not blamed for the circumstances of their birth. This happened not because of any physical djinn hybrid babies, but because of the Islamic law.

Coming full circle to the original case of Amanda Teague in Magnolia's first post. She made headlines for marrying the ghost because she did so in international waters, not within the legal jurisdiction of the UK, or Ireland. She and her lawyers could only go for this route because such a marriage is not legally recognized in her home country. Speaking of international waters, tsk tsk, some countries like France and China have legal frameworks for posthumous marriage. But these are rare and involve strict requirements, such as proof of prior engagement and official permissions. This is not the case in the US. Aka, you cannot legally marry a ghost in the US. Any such ceremony would be purely symbolic or spiritual, not legally binding in the physical world.