HOW DARK IS TOO DARK FOR ME?

[madgar29]

The story about someone being offered a marriage pact with Lilith really had me in stitches. Lol. It's a classic example of how we humans often view ourselves as exceptionally special, a mindset that seems to persist since the dawn of our history.

When it comes to the personal relevance of Spirit Keeping, it's a journey so unique that only the individual Keeper can truly understand its significance. My initial draw towards angels was likely because my energy naturally resonates with White Arts. However, delving deeper into my past and the events that shaped my distinctive energy signature, I began to comprehend the callings of entities from the darker spectrum, such as reapers and demons. Interestingly, within a few months into my Spirit Keeping practice, a WA Dragon companion of mine introduced me to a Demon friend of hers, showcasing the diverse energies that were aligning with my path.

Luckily, I started hearing my companions relatively early, assuring me that engaging with darker energies was not only safe but something I was keen on exploring. This included setting personal boundaries and finding my equilibrium.

Bringing home my first Dark Arts spirit, a CH Wraith, I quickly encountered the challenges of DA acclimation. I experienced ongoing headaches for over two weeks until I identified the cause and communicated with my Wraith to adjust the intensity of her energy. This was a turning point, allowing us to manage the potent forces within my Keep without triggering any further acclimation issues.

My advice to anyone feeling apprehensive about connecting with a spirit, especially those from the darker Dark Arts, is to trust that hesitation. If you're not ready, it's wise to acknowledge that feeling. You can always explore a connection with a similar entity later on, perhaps through custom conjuration, when you're more prepared to handle their intense energies.

The key is readiness and alignment with your own capabilities and knowledge. Don't rush into inviting a demon or any powerful entity into your life just for the sake of their perceived strength or abilities. Without the proper preparation and understanding, you'll find the relationship more challenging than expected. Start with what feels right to you and grow from there.

im right here...... reread my post btw. i never said lilith asked me to marry me. i was TOLD. but you are making me mad. talking about me without addressing me. that is crazy and disrespectful and passive aggressive. you say your a warrior spirit. for me as a warrior spirit things are more head on. and there is a reason and this is the reason i dont reveal what i found out about my higherself/soul. if anything i need a bigger ego, i been beaten down all my life. everytime i talk about you i tag you. annoying.....

any the way it was explained to me actually a male pact with her she marries many men.........just like witches and witch craft some do marry or make a pact with certain deities. why is this far feteched to some? i never felt special i felt like a number to be honest. @Vipera aspis atra

[KrisKra]

Dramas aside, I don't consider demons to be BA, I think they vary or can be a bit of DA/WA, it is not all one aspect of the spectrum. The limited dealings I've had with Goetic spirits have been pleasant enough and they have been polite. They have never threatened me but perhaps there were times they ignored me. When I was quite sick a number of years ago, I really connected with them and they were actually interesting to be around. They were easy to access and I wonder just how sick I was.

As for DA or WA, it seems I am drawn a little darker now than I used to be and have no problem with WA but sometimes I prefer darker energies. That is just how I roll. It is heavier energy but I don't mind that. Its so much easier at times to just go for that.

I am really intrigued by Harpies but read that they are very dangerous, even on the listing from CH Shop so I thought I might be pushing my luck there with Harpies. Also, I am getting a Baba Yaga, a Hag and a Shade (not from CH but the BY and H are from CH) - also a Brass Dragon, but I think the dragon is WA, hopefully greyish. The BY and H are what I would consider darker or neutral.

I probably have enough on my hands when I get these spirits.... maybe? Can anyone shed some more light on the Harpies - pun intended... get it? Shed light on.... sorry... couldn't resist. A couple of my spirits have done this to me recently.

[Alaric]

Dramas aside, I don't consider demons to be BA, I think they vary or can be a bit of DA/WA, it is not all one aspect of the spectrum. The limited dealings I've had with Goetic spirits have been pleasant enough and they have been polite. They have never threatened me but perhaps there were times they ignored me. When I was quite sick a number of years ago, I really connected with them and they were actually interesting to be around. They were easy to access and I wonder just how sick I was.
[...].

Yes, people have varying theories about what they classify a DA or Black Arts.

But it's worth remembering that people also have different ideas on what they classify as Demons. This is crucial.

I like to think that the Creepy Hollows classification of BA is beings, energy, influences or magic that is unredeemably malicious and seeks to do harm to anyone and anything. It doesn't seem to be able to choose to do anything different due to its intrinsic nature. They also remove free will - act against a person's free will.

The CH idea of DA is they still have free will and can respect other people's free will as well.

A good example is Succubi, who are widely regarded in the world at large, especially in Christian-influenced cultures, as demons. But CH classifies them as DA, not demons.

I've been fortunate to have a lot of work done for me by a Forum member who's not currently active, known here as Vipera Aspis Atra (formerly Noctua). Some of the work she has done might be thought of by some as demonic - eg with the Goetia and Qliphoth.

But she and practitioners like her are not working with malicious, harmful forces or beings. They're working with a form of DA. These very DA forces may require that the person who works with them is accomplished and may be difficult to work with otherwise....but this is not the same as working with unredeemably malicious beings or magic.

In one sense, if we're not working with unredeemably harmful, malicious beings that act against our free will, it doesn't matter what other people call them.

I mean Christians call just about any spirit demonic. And we know they're wrong.

But in another sense, if we see something is classed as demonic, it's a hint that we need to be very circumspect indeed.

If I see something is classed as BA by CH, I'll avoid it like the plague. They are to me unparalleled experts in the marketplace of spirit keeping and really warrant taking extremely seriously.

But, back to the core theme of this thread, I avoid working with very Dark Arts. However due to Vipera's high level of skill, I've been able to enjoy and benefit from what would normally be far too dark for me. Her master level skill allows her to tailor DA influences to take into account recipients' DA 'havingness' level. (Darkest Arts frequency is too much for me otherwise.)

[KrisKra]

I understand Alaric, the removal of free will and acting against you. I just this morning metaphysical a being in a dream who lured people away, took them underwater and changed them into zombies. That was interesting. She was not fooling me but just showing me her powers.

I don't like to be controlled any more than the average person and I'd be out of my depth dealing in BA. TBH, I'm probably out of my depth in lots of ways. I sometimes push my luck a bit though. Not with BA.

[Amanirense]

Ironically, my first glimpse of spirit keeping was another spirit keeping site that advertised BA spirits. I noped out of there and found CH. I'm not going to keep any spirit that is destructive and doesn't care who it hurts. But to each their own. BA entities exist to balance out WA entities.