A romantic relationship with angels

[Adair]

I'm uncomfortable about trying to turn a relationship with an Angel who has apparently come to me for reasons other than sex/romance, into a sexual or romantic one.

This is how I feel as well...

I'm not saying it's not possible for another Keeper and their Angel companion, but like Alaric also mentioned, sometimes people can misunderstand and misinterpret what their Angels are conveying, or rather not conveying.

At the very least, I would say it is less likely for a WA Angel to actually want something like that.

[mcm442]

Okay....so perhaps you gentlemen could provide some insight? Are the Angels in your keep with these types of interests, are they Fallen Angels or Non-Fallen? Accordingly, when Angels engage in spicy relationships with humans, does that entail falling from grace? Or is it not really that big of a deal? (In your opinion and experiences.)

Things like the Book of Enoch make it sound like a really big deal. And it seems that religious people often get rather unnerved that Angels of such grace and purity could ever have those types of feelings and desires. But honestly, why not? (As usual, I'm curious...)

Um, no, why would that make them fallen? Love is a power from the Divine. Even more pure when you consider that sexual relations in the astral is purely merging energies, a joining of souls if but for a brief moment.

As for the Book of Enoch--that is a highly misunderstood piece of literature, and the MOST important fact about it--

It was NEVER meant for anyone other than Rabbi's to read it--more important, for those Rabbi's versed in Jewish Hermetics. I might have mentioned this somewhere before, but basically it is required to have a basis in the 101, 102, and probably up to the 120 courses in theology before it should even be opened up, lol.

Sooo many problems in this world over the ages because someone read this book without any basis to work from.... and they are not even capable of considering that angels have races--ie, they live and have offspring, which requires---yeah, some form of sexual interactions. I mean, some of them will not accept that angels can be... female.

[coquette]

I have light and dark angels that are sexual. Not all of them are sexual obviously. But sure.

It's probably best that not all of them are sexual, or you would likely be so exhausted. lol!

My personal view is a lot of the written books on angels aren't exactly correct, it depends but there are many classes. They even said that Nephilim are giants but my ancestors is a Nephilim and they are an angel class. As for the interactions with others I wouldn't say that's enough to be to "fall" according to my fallen angel S she mentioned something as simple as not following orders will be enough to "fall from grace". I have many different types of angels from Courtwind and Bronwyn and many thrones and a virtue and several unbound virtues. There are more but yes and then two fallen angels and one Ubi hybrid. It's a mixed bag but yeah chastity I think is something specific to the church or certain belief systems .

I agree, and you have a very interesting ancestry. Out of curiousity, does your Keep have any opinion on the Anunnaki? That's a topic I've been looking more into as well.

Um, no, why would that make them fallen? Love is a power from the Divine. Even more pure when you consider that sexual relations in the astral is purely merging energies, a joining of souls if but for a brief moment.

As for the Book of Enoch--that is a highly misunderstood piece of literature, and the MOST important fact about it--

It was NEVER meant for anyone other than Rabbi's to read it--more important, for those Rabbi's versed in Jewish Hermetics. I might have mentioned this somewhere before, but basically it is required to have a basis in the 101, 102, and probably up to the 120 courses in theology before it should even be opened up, lol.

Um, well, Nephilim literally translates to the Fallen Ones, however their reason for falling could be more complex than simply having intimate relations with human women.

And Dr. Jason Sledge, who is a Jewish Scholar, with the channel Esoterica, said the Nephilim reminded him of "horny teenagers," in a YouTube video called -"Watchers & Nephilim Stephanie Shea ‪@rejectedreligion‬ & Dr Justin Sledge ‪@TheEsotericaChannel‬" on the channel We Are Being Transformed. He says at about 1:09:00.

(I can't embed the video here or link the video here.)

[Crossover93]

Okay....so perhaps you gentlemen could provide some insight? Are the Angels in your keep with these types of interests, are they Fallen Angels or Non-Fallen? Accordingly, when Angels engage in spicy relationships with humans, does that entail falling from grace? Or is it not really that big of a deal? (In your opinion and experiences.)

Things like the Book of Enoch make it sound like a really big deal. And it seems that religious people often get rather unnerved that Angels of such grace and purity could ever have those types of feelings and desires. But honestly, why not? (As usual, I'm curious...)

Um, no, why would that make them fallen? Love is a power from the Divine. Even more pure when you consider that sexual relations in the astral is purely merging energies, a joining of souls if but for a brief moment.

As for the Book of Enoch--that is a highly misunderstood piece of literature, and the MOST important fact about it--

It was NEVER meant for anyone other than Rabbi's to read it--more important, for those Rabbi's versed in Jewish Hermetics. I might have mentioned this somewhere before, but basically it is required to have a basis in the 101, 102, and probably up to the 120 courses in theology before it should even be opened up, lol.

Sooo many problems in this world over the ages because someone read this book without any basis to work from.... and they are not even capable of considering that angels have races--ie, they live and have offspring, which requires---yeah, some form of sexual interactions. I mean, some of them will not accept that angels can be... female.

Well said!

[mcm442]

Um, well, Nephilim literally translates to the Fallen Ones, however their reason for falling could be more complex than simply having intimate relations with human women.

And Dr. Jason Sledge, who is a Jewish Scholar, with the channel Esoterica, said the Nephilim reminded him of "horny teenagers," in a YouTube video called -"Watchers & Nephilim Stephanie Shea ‪@rejectedreligion‬ & Dr Justin Sledge ‪@TheEsotericaChannel‬" on the channel We Are Being Transformed. He says at about 1:09:00.

(I can't embed the video here or link the video here.)

Remember most theologies (u know the ones) only have 3 states of beings. Angels, humans, and demon/fallen/djinn. The former and the latter include EVERYTHING--but I think it's safe to say since you are here, you know better (or will, once you speak freely with those who are unseen). There is a lot to the nephilim story that led to their downfall, but they are only one race.

I also devour everything Justin Sledge talks about--but I do bring my own knowledge and experiences to bear on what he puts forth. He does stick firmly with the ancient written words--but if you are here in this forum (and I've said this before) you are at the cusp of the 'cutting edge' of knowledge in all of this, an explorer striking out in ways virgin to normal theological thinking. (Did that phrasing make sense? I'm tired after work, lol).

One is meeting angels who 'have chosen to fall', not because they were cast out by the Divine, but on a self imposed exile because of their own moral code. So even saying 'fallen' has different ranges of meaning.

And as for the spicy stuff, I can give a nod to Mother (now Saint) Theresa, who happily had full blown orgasms while interacting, lol.

also, if none of this makes sense, feel free to ignore it, lol. Just the resident crazy old man here.

[Munwolfex]

Absolutely. I have a Courtwind who is romantically interested in me and vice-versa. I had him custom conjured and he came through earlier than expected!

If you and are Angel are both wanting to progress things, as long as there’s consent on both sides, why not? Just because it’s not something you’ve read about or seen on here doesn’t make it wrong

[Alaric]

Fallen may mean an angel is pursuing things other than enlightenment or closeness to what is 'higher', divine in nature.

I like to think that when WA beings engage in sexual interaction they do it in a positive, benevolent way. And that's not out of step with the divine.

There are plenty of WA sexual spirit types known to CH. So when I read this CH description of, for example, Sterling Angels, I'm not surprised.

"They have enticing & alluring energies that they use in their interactions related to lust, romance, and sensuality."

https://shop.creepyhollows.com/living-e ... angel.html

That's a whole type of Angel. WA too. The principle with other types is more that it's up to the individual whether there's a romantic or sexual interaction. And because both spirits and entities have a perspective that isn't like our Earthbound human one, they may engage in those interactions with a human for reasons that we might not quite grasp and on a basis we might not at first realise.

I mean energy interactions at a sexual level aren't something most humans even think of - but a sexual spirit might have a special ability in that area. That might be not exactly 'social' or romantic. But with other individuals it can be very 'social' and romantic or sexual interaction in the ways we're familiar with.

[coquette]

Remember most theologies (u know the ones) only have 3 states of beings. Angels, humans, and demon/fallen/djinn. The former and the latter include EVERYTHING--but I think it's safe to say since you are here, you know better (or will, once you speak freely with those who are unseen). There is a lot to the nephilim story that led to their downfall, but they are only one race.

I've been exploring some of the information from the Sumerian Records, which deals with the Anunnaki gods, and there are stories of the Nephilim. Now, inherently, a major issue with things such as the Sumerian Tablets is translation- substantial translation issues that people have been trying to unravel for who knows how long.

Hence, I was watching a video from a channel called Myth and Mystery called, "Who Was Hunting the Anunnaki Before They Arrived on Earth — Sumerian Records | History For Sleep". The video discussed stories from the Sumerian Records of advanced Cosmic Warfare that was occurring, and the Nephilim were, in fact, intentionally created in a hybrid-breeding program through deliberate genetic engineering to be a type of elite warrior. (@ 33:00)



Obviously, I have no clue about if any of this is true or not, but it gets the noggin' joggin'- so to speak.

That's a whole type of Angel. WA too. The principle with other types is more that it's up to the individual whether there's a romantic or sexual interaction. And because both spirits and entities have a perspective that isn't like our Earthbound human one, they may engage in those interactions with a human for reasons that we might not quite grasp and on a basis we might not at first realise.

Certainly could be true, but is there a possibility that they want to engage in these interactions for a very similar reason as humans? Like they find it a pleasurable experience...

Absolutely. I have a Courtwind who is romantically interested in me and vice-versa. I had him custom conjured and he came through earlier than expected!

Sounds very sweet & romantic.

[Alaric]

[...] is there a possibility that they want to engage in these interactions for a very similar reason as humans? Like they find it a pleasurable experience...

Yes, that's one thing sexual spirits or lover spirits can experience.

But I try to highlight the variety of reasons and variety of ways in which various spirits can engage with our sexual nature or energy, or lower chakras or even with an all inclusive love energy that doesn't leave out the sexual part of us.

It may be that some ancient beings did that whole-being interaction and didn't incorporate the relatively recent human preoccupation with separating out sex for special relationships. Sexuality is part of us, not some unwanted aberration.This is mainly speculation on my part.

Then there are what I call social interactions very similar to a partnership relationship, like we have between humans.

It's really very varied - and we should remember what CH says about spirits -:they have been through experiences while alive but they have a much broader perspective now. They can relate to some of our typical human expectations but we may not instinctively relate to their greater expectations of us.

There's an honourable history of sexual/romantic relations between humans and angels.

You may want to check this out. Aleister Crowley was very impressed with this essay from just over 100 years ago by Ida Craddock.

https://www.idacraddock.com/bridegrooms.html

I don't sense that the angel she was in a relationship with was fallen ie dark arts, ie not In touch with the divine any longer .

I suggest that it is possible to experience pleasure and still be connected to the divine.

Check out the description of Oagi Alliance Elves, for example...

[madgar29]

Pretty sure the book of Enoch talked about angels LUSTING over rhe beauty of the women of men. Which is sin. Hence fallen. How I personally take it but our angels we have spirit or le they can't pyshcially engage wirh us so if they are romantically love. They cannot act upon the act.

So maybe we will never know. But agaon I have dark aka fallen but there is dark angels that are not fallen so its confusing and book of.enoch talks about rh3 archons being our god.... so thats another issue on its own.

One of my living angels swears im a soul mate but she is darker but she hasn't fallen from grace ao to me its actually very confusing.